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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 18 May 20 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

It does seem to me that the old constitutional convention of individual ministerial responsibility
( and of course accountability) has been eroded over the years.

Once upon a time it didn't take a lot for a minister to feel obliged to resign if there was any question mark over their honesty, or apparent culpability for a poor decision on an important issue. It was almost a case of assumed guilty until proved innocent.

These days ministers seem to wriggle and squirm their way out of difficult situations and hang on until the PM decides they have become a liability and tells them their time is up.

This is not a good thing as the old deterrent of losing your post if you were caught being deceitful (lying)or just being downright incompetent, did, I think, encourage greater integrity.

Good point. There is some thought that Profumo lost his job not because of any wrong doing but because he lied about it.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 May 20 6.48am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Once upon a time it didn't take a lot for a minister to feel obliged to resign if there was any question mark over their honesty, or apparent culpability for a poor decision on an important issue. It was almost a case of assumed guilty until proved innocent.

These days ministers seem to wriggle and squirm their way out of difficult situations

And some like Priti Patel are sacked for dubious behaviour (I'm being polite) and a few short months later get handed one of the top jobs

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 May 20 7.59am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

And some like Priti Patel are sacked for dubious behaviour (I'm being polite) and a few short months later get handed one of the top jobs

Pretty much the entire cabinet are in place due to loyalty rather than ability.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 May 20 8.35am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


Pretty much the entire cabinet are in place due to loyalty rather than ability.

And then there's Michael Gove who I assume got his job on the basis of "keeping one's enemies closer still"

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 May 20 8.38am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

And then there's Michael Gove who I assume got his job on the basis of "keeping one's enemies closer still"

Haha yes, I think you’re right there.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 19 May 20 8.41am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Good point. There is some thought that Profumo lost his job not because of any wrong doing but because he lied about it.

He lied in Parliament.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 19 May 20 8.42am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

And then there's Michael Gove who I assume got his job on the basis of "keeping one's enemies closer still"

He's competent though.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 19 May 20 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Pretty much the entire cabinet are in place due to loyalty rather than ability.

It's widespread across the public sector.

Government Departments are run on the same basis ... I was always fascinated by the crony brownnoser/ boss relationships and how they would reap the benefits of accelerated promotion however inept they were. As soon as something went wrong or their idol moved on they would dissipate to the winds never to be seen again.

 


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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

And some like Priti Patel are sacked for dubious behaviour (I'm being polite) and a few short months later get handed one of the top jobs

I wouldn’t mind some dubious behaviour with Priti Patel

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I wouldn’t mind some dubious behaviour with Priti Patel

Tom. Do you get much or are you just a walking talking rampant rabbit

 

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