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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Jun 20 1.21am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

We have had a " highly rated " academy since Moses was a boy. There is a massive rose tinted view on what we actually produce.

Southampton for example seem to have a more consistent output of PL standard talent.

This is a view based on memory rather than data so happy to be proved wrong.

Originally posted by samprior

Really good interview with Gary Issott just gone up on the Palace website which sheds a bit of light on the academy past and present. Definitely highlights the progress made with hopefully more to come.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 20 9.28am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

We have had a " highly rated " academy since Moses was a boy. There is a massive rose tinted view on what we actually produce.

Southampton for example seem to have a more consistent output of PL standard talent.

This is a view based on memory rather than data so happy to be proved wrong.

Lets' not forget the Exeter Academy that has produced Ethan Ampadu, Ollie Watkins, Matt Grimes etc.

Furthermore Liam Sercombe,Tom Nichols and George Friend etc also went on to play for clubs higher up the pyramid. Another academy graduate Archie Collins, currently at the club, is being viewed by bigger clubs.

The products of the Crewe academy have included David Platt, Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Rob Jones etc etc.


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Online Flag People's Republic of Gozo 27 Jun 20 10.24am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Lets' not forget the Exeter Academy that has produced Ethan Ampadu, Ollie Watkins, Matt Grimes etc.

Furthermore Liam Sercombe,Tom Nichols and George Friend etc also went on to play for clubs higher up the pyramid. Another academy graduate Archie Collins, currently at the club, is being viewed by bigger clubs.

The products of the Crewe academy have included David Platt, Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Rob Jones etc etc.

Edited by Willo (27 Jun 2020 9.34am)

I think it's best not to rave about Crewe's youth academy these days due to the Barry Bennell paedophilia case which afflicted the club during 79-91.

 

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View MikeCrete's Profile MikeCrete Flag Cheam/Crete 27 Jun 20 12.17pm Send a Private Message to MikeCrete Add MikeCrete as a friend

Lewis Grabban is one who springs to mind regarding youngster's not given a chance & making it.
The major point is that younger players will not be given a chance by Roy; Wan Bissaka only got a game because there was no one else at all who could play.
Hopefully one or two will be given some game time in the next few games, but I fear that the £1.9m available per place will mean we concentrate on points after the hit from the coronavirus.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jun 20 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think it's best not to rave about Crewe's youth academy these days due to the Barry Bennell paedophilia case which afflicted the club during 79-91.


One does not have to relate to the other.

They can be spoken about separately, as Willo did.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

We have had a " highly rated " academy since Moses was a boy. There is a massive rose tinted view on what we actually produce.

Southampton for example seem to have a more consistent output of PL standard talent.

This is a view based on memory rather than data so happy to be proved wrong.


According to the tabloids Southampton are in for small windfall after Liverpool's title win due to clauses in 4 of their former players.

 


One more point

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Online Flag People's Republic of Gozo 27 Jun 20 1.38pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


One does not have to relate to the other.

They can be spoken about separately, as Willo did.

Given the discussion is about which youth academies are worth looking at as examples it seems pretty pertinent that during the period Willo was referring to boys were being preyed upon and those in charge (it is claimed) ignored it. It's like saying we should use Harvey Weinstein as an example of how to produce films. Having said that, referring to a youth set-up from over 30 years ago isn't really that relevant anyway, even the ones without paedophiles.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 20 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Given the discussion is about which youth academies are worth looking at as examples it seems pretty pertinent that during the period Willo was referring to boys were being preyed upon and those in charge (it is claimed) ignored it. It's like saying we should use Harvey Weinstein as an example of how to produce films. Having said that, referring to a youth set-up from over 30 years ago isn't really that relevant anyway, even the ones without paedophiles.

For goodness sake.

All I posted were examples of players from the Crewe academy who went to further themselves at a higher level.This is NOT an opinion but fact.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jun 20 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Given the discussion is about which youth academies are worth looking at as examples it seems pretty pertinent that during the period Willo was referring to boys were being preyed upon and those in charge (it is claimed) ignored it. It's like saying we should use Harvey Weinstein as an example of how to produce films. Having said that, referring to a youth set-up from over 30 years ago isn't really that relevant anyway, even the ones without paedophiles.

No it isn't like saying that at all.

As I said, one does not require a discussion of the other and only you have broached that terrible stuff.

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View Vincehair's Profile Vincehair Flag London 28 Jun 20 7.30am Send a Private Message to Vincehair Add Vincehair as a friend

We heard a bit of noise from Roy about some youngsters getting a chance. Then we had a bit of talk about Europe, which sets immediate short term targets and usually shelves long term sustainability

Players that have been our biggest success are those that have broken into the first team. At Palace I would guess it roughly equates to a player every 3 seasons. Think it is a good time to get our academy up to cat 1 status in terms of facilities. Hopefully that would give us a better chance to keep our younger players.

Wan bissaka was close to joining Coventry before he got a chance and that's was as much to with circumstance, than desire to promote youth from within the club. He did stand out in the youth set up but was apparently close to leaving. Coventry had identified him, and we were lucky not to lose 50m. I think Richard Shaw was at the club then and had connections with Coventry.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

Lets' not forget the Exeter Academy that has produced Ethan Ampadu, Ollie Watkins, Matt Grimes etc.

Furthermore Liam Sercombe,Tom Nichols and George Friend etc also went on to play for clubs higher up the pyramid. Another academy graduate Archie Collins, currently at the club, is being viewed by bigger clubs.

The products of the Crewe academy have included David Platt, Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Rob Jones etc etc.


Edited by Willo (27 Jun 2020 9.34am)

Missed out Dean Moxey from Exeter. A lot of factors come into play as to why they have been successful. Being fan owned in a lower division without much competition from other clubs for youth players all help.

Harim Boateng went there and was successful, now playing for MK Dons. Not sure he’ll ever make it in a premiership or championship club though.

Crewe’s academy should really be praised anymore. Would be like praising all the charity work Jimmy Saville did.

 

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Originally posted by MikeCrete

Lewis Grabban is one who springs to mind regarding youngster's not given a chance & making it.
The major point is that younger players will not be given a chance by Roy; Wan Bissaka only got a game because there was no one else at all who could play.
Hopefully one or two will be given some game time in the next few games, but I fear that the £1.9m available per place will mean we concentrate on points after the hit from the coronavirus.

Didn’t Grabban decided to leave a bit prematurely? His chance was coming but he threw his toys out of the pram.

Based on Sunderland til I die, his attitude seemed to stink.

 

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