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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 26 Jun 20 9.29am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

True, but that's essentially the whole party....and the majority of its activists. Corbyn and co slowly ousted the moderates.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2020 9.21am)


Too slowly. That is the point. They should have culled them totally. That is the ironic thing about Momentum. They had the opportunity via mandatory reselection of MP's and failed to act.

Lacked both the ruthlessness along with falling for all that second referendum bulls*** and done their own knees. And now are reaping the rewards.

Starmer will now purge them entirely. Has no choice but to smash them. And Momentum either comply, which I suspect they will or have the courage to break away.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Jun 20 9.40am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Too slowly. That is the point. They should have culled them totally. That is the ironic thing about Momentum. They had the opportunity via mandatory reselection of MP's and failed to act.

Lacked both the ruthlessness along with falling for all that second referendum bulls*** and done their own knees. And now are reaping the rewards.

Starmer will now purge them entirely. Has no choice but to smash them. And Momentum either comply, which I suspect they will or have the courage to break away.

Wack A Mole, they will slip back into the background and bide their time, they nearly took control of the country and if they had a better leader they probably would have done.

They won't go off and form a party because as I have often said the majority of people in this country will not vote for extremists. They know that the route to power is through a wolf in sheep's clothing.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 20 9.46am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Too slowly. That is the point. They should have culled them totally. That is the ironic thing about Momentum. They had the opportunity via mandatory reselection of MP's and failed to act.

Lacked both the ruthlessness along with falling for all that second referendum bulls*** and done their own knees. And now are reaping the rewards.

Starmer will now purge them entirely. Has no choice but to smash them. And Momentum either comply, which I suspect they will or have the courage to break away.

Don't see that myself.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Online Flag 26 Jun 20 9.51am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Wack A Mole, they will slip back into the background and bide their time, they nearly took control of the country and if they had a better leader they probably would have done.

They won't go off and form a party because as I have often said the majority of people in this country will not vote for extremists. They know that the route to power is through a wolf in sheep's clothing.


In 2017 they polled 40%. With Corbyn. People seem to forget that. The best Labour result in decades. Corbyn was smashed in 2019 by Brexit. By being forced to adopt a policy that guaranteed Labour would lose. No ifs, no buts and with all the relevant data pointing to that at their fingertips. Essentially committing the most self-destructive act in modern British, and possibly global, politics.

Trust me, whoever is pulling Starmer's strings, and the man is a complete puppet, are far far more sinister than Momentum could ever dream of being.

Momentum had their chance, they had their leader and they had the membership. And blew it. Bottled it along with playing into the very hands of those intent on destroying them by refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the 2016 Brexit referendum result.

If Labour had agreed to abide by the 2016 referendum result, as they did in 2017, I suspect we would be on the cusp of a Corbyn led Government. Might even have it already.

But instead with have Johnson. With an 80 seat majority. And all engineered by Starmer.

 

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View beak's Profile beak Online Flag croydon 26 Jun 20 10.16am Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

She tried to put Starmer to the test and she got the bullet. Starmer did not flinch ,bumble or fail to act.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Online Flag Hong Kong 26 Jun 20 10.28am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The Red Wall will never be won back by marching for Palestine or insisting men can menstruate.

The good people I know in North Lincs for example are more concerned with normal things such as rising crime, investment back in scunthorpe steel, buses across the Humber.

RLB basically said many Labour voters were too thick to understand the politics they needed as promoted by Momentum.

No one saw Covid coming as it did but that notwithstanding, the current Tory leadership is financially centrist and given the chance will put buses in rural areas, spend on the NHS etc etc.

The previous Labour voters who reluctantly voted Tory because of Brexit may well find that they are more aligned with Boris than they thought.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

True, but that's essentially the whole party....and the majority of its activists. Corbyn and co slowly ousted the moderates.

I agree with you that Momentum should form it's own party....but it took over Labour instead and no one gives up power willingly.

It would take Labour's grass roots to change things and its grass roots support Momentum.

From their perspective it would be crazy to leave Labour. They have a genuine chance of power once people have fully acclimatized to their politics as they are the only realistic alternative....then it becomes the new normal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2020 9.21am)

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Online Flag Hong Kong 26 Jun 20 10.30am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

They didn't win but think they did, which is fine.

Their free stuff for everyone financial plan was roundly rejected by the electorate.

Originally posted by Matov


In 2017 they polled 40%. With Corbyn. People seem to forget that. The best Labour result in decades. Corbyn was smashed in 2019 by Brexit. By being forced to adopt a policy that guaranteed Labour would lose. No ifs, no buts and with all the relevant data pointing to that at their fingertips. Essentially committing the most self-destructive act in modern British, and possibly global, politics.

Trust me, whoever is pulling Starmer's strings, and the man is a complete puppet, are far far more sinister than Momentum could ever dream of being.

Momentum had their chance, they had their leader and they had the membership. And blew it. Bottled it along with playing into the very hands of those intent on destroying them by refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the 2016 Brexit referendum result.

If Labour had agreed to abide by the 2016 referendum result, as they did in 2017, I suspect we would be on the cusp of a Corbyn led Government. Might even have it already.

But instead with have Johnson. With an 80 seat majority. And all engineered by Starmer.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 20 10.32am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

The Red Wall will never be won back by marching for Palestine or insisting men can menstruate.

The good people I know in North Lincs for example are more concerned with normal things such as rising crime, investment back in scunthorpe steel, buses across the Humber.

RLB basically said many Labour voters were too thick to understand the politics they needed as promoted by Momentum.

No one saw Covid coming as it did but that notwithstanding, the current Tory leadership is financially centrist and given the chance will put buses in rural areas, spend on the NHS etc etc.

The previous Labour voters who reluctantly voted Tory because of Brexit may well find that they are more aligned with Boris than they thought.

I tend to agree with you.

However, I don't see that affecting what actually happens in the Labour party.

Momentum are there for the long term battle. Short term power was a bonus, not a requirement.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Online Flag Hong Kong 26 Jun 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

All of the current MP's selected under Jezza are of course Momentum disciples.

It's interesting to discuss it but the reality is it's very hard to see Labour getting anywhere near power for ten years.

I think we are heading for more polarisation between the big cities that will be Labour going forward and towns and country that will be fairly solid Tory. Scotland out of play. If London has another few years of The Khanate people will just leave if they can and move away.The success of working from home will hasten this as companies downsize floor space in London and after a number of years London will not generate enough council tax to pay for local services and grind to halt with poor transport, depleted police and emergency services etc

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I tend to agree with you.

However, I don't see that affecting what actually happens in the Labour party.

Momentum are there for the long term battle. Short term power was a bonus, not a requirement.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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Originally posted by HKOwen

All of the current MP's selected under Jezza are of course Momentum disciples.

It's interesting to discuss it but the reality is it's very hard to see Labour getting anywhere near power for ten years.

I think we are heading for more polarisation between the big cities that will be Labour going forward and towns and country that will be fairly solid Tory. Scotland out of play. If London has another few years of The Khanate people will just leave if they can and move away.The success of working from home will hasten this as companies downsize floor space in London and after a number of years London will not generate enough council tax to pay for local services and grind to halt with poor transport, depleted police and emergency services etc

You maybe correct. Of course if businesses and offices do move out of London followed by a white flight it leaves London firmly in the hands of Labour. This is rather like US cities which are like doughnuts the middles class live in the "burbs" leaving the city to the poor with all the problems associated with inner city leaving.

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Online Flag Hong Kong 27 Jun 20 12.58am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

IMHO London is already in the hands of Labour , your comparison with the US is probably prophetic.I don't agree with "white flight", will be driven more by financial mobility.

Originally posted by Badger11

You maybe correct. Of course if businesses and offices do move out of London followed by a white flight it leaves London firmly in the hands of Labour. This is rather like US cities which are like doughnuts the middles class live in the "burbs" leaving the city to the poor with all the problems associated with inner city leaving.

Edited by HKOwen (27 Jun 2020 1.00am)

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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Originally posted by HKOwen

IMHO London is already in the hands of Labour , your comparison with the US is probably prophetic.I don't agree with "white flight", will be driven more by financial mobility.

Edited by HKOwen (27 Jun 2020 1.00am)

Oh but hang on dont all white people have
'White privilege' do what they want when they want with all that the have. Mayor khant is now going to cut budgets for police and fire. Then when it goes south with chazchop mk2 blame central government.
Boris needs to let Londoners know what's coming as this khunt is slowly destroying it.

 

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