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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 07 Feb 21 6.25am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

In a lot of jobs and I know football is not just a job; under pressure is where a majority do their best. Footballers can mature in five minutes, AWB,mitchell,Rooney,Lampard,gerard. All players who showed ability whilst under pressure to. These are just examples and if they hadnt had their chance then we would never have known how good they were.
Some players clearly arnt close and wont ever make the top but a few could just have that x factor and be so near to being able to show but the chance never comes through a fear of failure;not by them but by others!

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Feb 21 8.48am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

i honestly feel that take ayew for example, all he offers is winning free-kicks near the halfway line that we never score from...there must be a player that offers more than that.

i like sakho, but he never plays and is always injured, there must be a defender in the youth ranks who could take his place.

james mcarthy, bring in scott banks who is more creative.

Ayew wins free kicks by the half way line but it isn't his fault that we never score from them.

I follow Woosie and Gazza on the other forum as they know a lot about what goes on in the development and under 18 squads and they claim that there is no-one good enough for the first team at the moment including Scott Banks

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 08 Feb 21 12.50pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I follow Woosie and Gazza on the other forum as they know a lot about what goes on in the development and under 18 squads and they claim that there is no-one good enough for the first team at the moment including Scott Banks

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

I appreciate that to some extent you only know for certain whether a player is good enough if you play him in the first team, but we have to remember that the youth system (staffed by qualified experienced professionals) is there not only to coach the youth lads, but also to assess their suitability to be first team players, or even just professional footballers, as well.

Many years ago I was taking the FA coaching badges and was in the same class as Dougie Freedman, who at that time was the reserve manager at Palace. He told me the story of one particular youth team player who I won't name here, but who did play a few games in the Palace first team as a very young player before falling out of professional football altogether.

Anyway, this kid had issues with his approach, and particular to how well he took care of his body. The staff had several meetings with the kid and his parents in which they pleaded with them to focus more and make lifestyle changes because, to use Dougies words, if he can sort that side out then he will definitely be a professional footballer - not maybe, definitely.

Despite getting a taste of the first team very young, the kid didn't (or couldn't) make the lifestyle changes, but the point of the story really is that it was possible, in Freedmen's telling of it, to have a pretty high degree of certainty about a young players potential without having to test them on a sink-or-swim basis in the first team. Makes sense really - that's what the staff and the system is there for.


So, what might be a more fair way to put it is:

You only know for certain if a kid is good enough by playing him in the first team, but you normally have a pretty good idea of how likely he is to succeed long before then.


Another angle to look at it might be that if the youth set up prior to the recent upgrades etc was producing a player a year that was good enough then the club wouldn't have needed to spend what it has upgrading the whole thing.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Feb 2021 12.51pm)

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 08 Feb 21 1.05pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Jay Rich-Baghuelou was spotted training with the first-team ahead of the Leeds match. I have no idea how good he is, but he looks like a brick sh!thouse [Link]

Would be great to have a centre-back who can dominate forwards with their presence.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Feb 21 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild


Would be great to have a centre-back who can dominate forwards with their presence.

Bring back Razor Ruddock

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 08 Feb 21 2.07pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Bring back Razor Ruddock

52, heart problems and obesity issues. When does he sign?

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 08 Feb 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Jay Rich-Baghuelou was spotted training with the first-team ahead of the Leeds match. I have no idea how good he is, but he looks like a brick sh!thouse [Link]

Would be great to have a centre-back who can dominate forwards with their presence.

Funny old 'youth' team we've got, half of them seem to have beards!

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Feb 21 3.37pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Jay Rich-Baghuelou was spotted training with the first-team ahead of the Leeds match. I have no idea how good he is, but he looks like a brick sh!thouse [Link]

Would be great to have a centre-back who can dominate forwards with their presence.

Think we'd win purely on the basis of the opposition craping themselves lol

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Feb 21 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

52, heart problems and obesity issues. When does he sign?

Learn!!!!

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 08 Feb 21 3.50pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

I appreciate that to some extent you only know for certain whether a player is good enough if you play him in the first team, but we have to remember that the youth system (staffed by qualified experienced professionals) is there not only to coach the youth lads, but also to assess their suitability to be first team players, or even just professional footballers, as well.

Many years ago I was taking the FA coaching badges and was in the same class as Dougie Freedman, who at that time was the reserve manager at Palace. He told me the story of one particular youth team player who I won't name here, but who did play a few games in the Palace first team as a very young player before falling out of professional football altogether.

Anyway, this kid had issues with his approach, and particular to how well he took care of his body. The staff had several meetings with the kid and his parents in which they pleaded with them to focus more and make lifestyle changes because, to use Dougies words, if he can sort that side out then he will definitely be a professional footballer - not maybe, definitely.

Despite getting a taste of the first team very young, the kid didn't (or couldn't) make the lifestyle changes, but the point of the story really is that it was possible, in Freedmen's telling of it, to have a pretty high degree of certainty about a young players potential without having to test them on a sink-or-swim basis in the first team. Makes sense really - that's what the staff and the system is there for.


So, what might be a more fair way to put it is:

You only know for certain if a kid is good enough by playing him in the first team, but you normally have a pretty good idea of how likely he is to succeed long before then.


Another angle to look at it might be that if the youth set up prior to the recent upgrades etc was producing a player a year that was good enough then the club wouldn't have needed to spend what it has upgrading the whole thing.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Feb 2021 12.51pm)

I think I could probably guess who that player was. My younger sister had a 17th birthday party around the time in question. I spoke to a kid who was boasting about playing for palace who seemed a bit arrogant, at the time I thought he was just a youth team player excited about his future but then he popped up in the first team all of a sudden. Issue was he was always out having a good time and thought his fitness just came naturally.

At around about the same time Victor Moses was coming through. My sister told me that he was pretty boring, kept his head down, didn't drink and rarely went out. That's probably why he's a millionaire now.

One of the Newcastle coaches told me that most players don't drink anymore because it affects your fitness for 3 days. There's a surprising number of religious sports people coming through.. possibly because they don't start going on benders every weekend from when they are 16.

 

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Originally posted by jeeagles

I think I could probably guess who that player was. My younger sister had a 17th birthday party around the time in question. I spoke to a kid who was boasting about playing for palace who seemed a bit arrogant, at the time I thought he was just a youth team player excited about his future but then he popped up in the first team all of a sudden. Issue was he was always out having a good time and thought his fitness just came naturally.

At around about the same time Victor Moses was coming through. My sister told me that he was pretty boring, kept his head down, didn't drink and rarely went out. That's probably why he's a millionaire now.

One of the Newcastle coaches told me that most players don't drink anymore because it affects your fitness for 3 days. There's a surprising number of religious sports people coming through.. possibly because they don't start going on benders every weekend from when they are 16.

Americans banned it in the early 1930s but found the smuggling and illegal side impossible to control due to the huge scale, the law enforcers found themselves picking on the easier targets which everyone knows causes huge problems in itself with discontent probably cost more then the drink in the first place lol Alcohol has caused quite a lot of the spread of this covid 19.

 

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We've got another post here about our youngsters not being good enough. If there are no youngsters as good as Luka, I would be surprised. Put Townsend and Dann in that category too.
To not be as good as Luka, then they may as well just give up now. Are you seriously suggesting we have youth team players who can't do the footballing basics of run, pass, shoot, tackle without fouling? Because Luka can't do any of these things and hasn't been able to for around a season now.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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