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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 13 Jul 20 9.42am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Well that was a surprise

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jul 20 10.36am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Reading the BBC website the CAS report said that some of the more serious charges were time barred I assume they meant there was a statute of limitations. They then go on to confirm that UEAFA were correct that City failed to co-operate with the investigation but that didn't warrant a ban in itself.

So if I understand correctly if you do something wrong your lawyers will advise you not to co-operate and drag the investigation out for as long as possible and eventually the charges will be dropped as time has run out.

I believe they call this the Julian Assange defence.

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Edited by Badger11 (13 Jul 2020 10.37am)

 


One more point

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 20 6.33pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Reading the BBC website the CAS report said that some of the more serious charges were time barred I assume they meant there was a statute of limitations. They then go on to confirm that UEAFA were correct that City failed to co-operate with the investigation but that didn't warrant a ban in itself.

So if I understand correctly if you do something wrong your lawyers will advise you not to co-operate and drag the investigation out for as long as possible and eventually the charges will be dropped as time has run out.

I believe they call this the Julian Assange defence.

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Edited by Badger11 (13 Jul 2020 10.37am)

I bet no backhanders were involved. Those mansions in Monaco are simply coincidental.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Jul 20 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Look on the bright side, itís going to keep Tottenham or Arsenal or both out of Europe if we are lucky.

 

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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Flag 14 Jul 20 10.55am Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Look on the bright side, itís going to keep Tottenham or Arsenal or both out of Europe if we are lucky.

As a Palace fan with no hope of Europe, I don't see this as a silver lining to be honest.

Most weekends, I'm bemoaning the diving/cheating/getting in ref's face way that the top clubs go about their Business and I hate that Palace will never be there.

But there's a sweet spot in middle of the season where on a Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday night, a Competition that has absolutely nothing to do with Palace ore relegation is on and I can just have a few beers and root for an English side because, well, it's still okay to be patriotic and hope an English Team does better than another Country from time to time, no matter how many people seem to hate being English recently!

I'd rather watch a good Arsenal or Tottenham with more chance to go far in a Competition play good football than a Burnley or Sheffield United be cannon-fodder. What's more, even if one of those 2 clubs go on a good run in Europe, I still don't get excited about coming home after work mid-week and watching Sheffield. I'd rather watch Tottenham/Inter or Arsenal/Dortmund for example.

Of course if it was Palace that forced their way into that spot, I'd be overjoyed and buzzing to see a lower league Team try Europe midweek. Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes. I'm a football fan.

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 14 Jul 20 1.16pm Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

Money talks

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 14 Jul 20 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Haha, as a reward to Pep and in light of their escape with penalties from UEFA regarding FFP, the Board are going to give Pep £150m to bolster his squad. You couldn't make it up! As you say Crvenaeagle, money talks.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 14 Jul 20 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by leejaneagles

As a Palace fan with no hope of Europe, I don't see this as a silver lining to be honest.

Most weekends, I'm bemoaning the diving/cheating/getting in ref's face way that the top clubs go about their Business and I hate that Palace will never be there.

But there's a sweet spot in middle of the season where on a Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday night, a Competition that has absolutely nothing to do with Palace ore relegation is on and I can just have a few beers and root for an English side because, well, it's still okay to be patriotic and hope an English Team does better than another Country from time to time, no matter how many people seem to hate being English recently.

I'd rather watch a good Arsenal or Tottenham with more chance to go far in a Competition play good football than a Burnley or Sheffield United be cannon-fodder. What's more, even if one of those 2 clubs go on a good run in Europe, I still don't get excited about coming home after work mid-week and watching Sheffield. I'd rather watch Tottenham/Inter or Arsenal/Dortmund for example.

Of course if it was Palace that forced their way into that spot, I'd be overjoyed and buzzing to see a lower league Team try Europe midweek. Does that make me a hypocrite? Yes. I'm a football fan.

I disagree, I think its great that there are other teams getting a chance to play Euro football and I think it makes a refreshing change to not see teams who think they deserve to be in Europe just because of previous seasons successes. If the traditional top 6 had it their way they would not have to qualify for european football at all and that situation would not be good for football.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Jul 20 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

UEAFA have to decide what FFP actually means then they can redraw the rules accordingly.

I think FFP should be about stopping clubs buying success then going bust and owing money.

On that basis I am fine with Man City and their mega rich owner pumping money into the club, maybe it will be Palace one day.

UEAFA seem to think that FFP is about protecting the elite well established clubs by pulling up the ladder behind them.

 


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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Flag 14 Jul 20 4.01pm Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

UEAFA have to decide what FFP actually means then they can redraw the rules accordingly.

I think FFP should be about stopping clubs buying success then going bust and owing money.

On that basis I am fine with Man City and their mega rich owner pumping money into the club, maybe it will be Palace one day.

UEAFA seem to think that FFP is about protecting the elite well established clubs by pulling up the ladder behind them.


In defence of UEFA here, they did try to ban City from European Competition for 2 seasons which would've sent a clear message to the whole football world - you cannot buy success.

It would've stopped the Newcastle deal as it looks likely they'll be the new PSG and as someone mentioned above, it would have meant City won't just throw £150 million at the Summer transfer window to have the Title sewn up by February. They are already in better form than Liverpool and Liverpool are restricted who they can buy in the Summer, so an injury to the front 3 combined with City spending £150 million will make the league an absolute farce and snore-fest again.

It was this weird independent Body that made UEFA look like fools. Now no one will ever take them seriously again or comply with their Searches. They basically need to avoid UEFA and be as unhelpful as possible until the statute of limitations passes and the random Independent Body clears them.

 

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Originally posted by leejaneagles


In defence of UEFA here, they did try to ban City from European Competition for 2 seasons which would've sent a clear message to the whole football world - you cannot buy success.

It would've stopped the Newcastle deal as it looks likely they'll be the new PSG and as someone mentioned above, it would have meant City won't just throw £150 million at the Summer transfer window to have the Title sewn up by February. They are already in better form than Liverpool and Liverpool are restricted who they can buy in the Summer, so an injury to the front 3 combined with City spending £150 million will make the league an absolute farce and snore-fest again.

It was this weird independent Body that made UEFA look like fools. Now no one will ever take them seriously again or comply with their Searches. They basically need to avoid UEFA and be as unhelpful as possible until the statute of limitations passes and the random Independent Body clears them.

Do you mean CAS? I don't think they are weird at all they are a legal body the fault lies with UEFA rules. I am not surprised that City got away with it. Practically every time Football rules are tested in a court of law they are found wanting e.g. Bosman ruling.

It is quite clear from the judgement that CAS did not clear City completely but they can only go by the rules that UEFA set which obviously had loopholes that City exploited.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jul 20 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The football authorities do not have the money to challenge the super rich clubs head on in the courts.
No one on the gravy train stands to gain from it anyway.

They might as well scrap Fairplay rules if they are not enforceable and replace them with a simpler system that can be enforced to keep the playing field as level as possible.
Trouble is that the media companies that pump so much money into football want the big clubs doing well so they can sell more advertising. They hate it when there are smaller clubs are in the PL.

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