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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 21 4.37pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Are you staying that stupid white kids from rich families are the most likely to be duped into spending thousands of pounds on pointless sociology degrees, whilst kids from poorer backgrounds are more likely to spot that s***ty degrees are a waste of time and money?

to learn a Trade is far more useful than most University degrees.

And regarding all the Plumbers, Carpenters, Gas engineers & Mechanics around South London ? and the title of the OP, you tell me ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Nov 2021 4.43pm)

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 23 Nov 21 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

For those who want an update on Police performance before, during and after the exposure of the Rotherham grooming gangs, which we now know is a problem around the country here is a link to news on a IOPC report detailing its failings.

[Link]

It is some progress....but we still await real accountability, we still await justice. These people must not be allowed to get away with gross negligence.

And an independent enquiry, whod have thought

 

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

to learn a Trade is far more useful than most University degrees.

And regarding all the Plumbers, Carpenters, Gas engineers & Mechanics around South London ? and the title of the OP, you tell me ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Nov 2021 4.43pm)

If you look at the minimum wage for an apprentice, this may be part of the problem

[Link]

Edited by Spiderman (23 Nov 2021 4.52pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 23 Nov 21 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

And an independent enquiry, whod have thought

Look how long it's been.....I can't help but think that people are being allowed to move on and leave before any real censor can be made......because it's highly likely that this is the responsibility of the top Police management and the political levels that rule over the Police.

I suspect that this has little to do with Police on the streets dealing with situations and more to do with policy.....policy that these people thought was actually protecting them.....even though over decades it threw vulnerable, unprotected young, sometimes underaged girls to the wolves.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2021 4.58pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 21 5.41pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

If you look at the minimum wage for an apprentice, this may be part of the problem

[Link]

Edited by Spiderman (23 Nov 2021 4.52pm)

better than reading Germaine Greer all day and earning nothing.

 


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View Nubes's Profile Nubes Flag London 23 Nov 21 6.53pm Send a Private Message to Nubes Add Nubes as a friend

All I can say is wow to some of the comments and statements on the previous pages.

Im a Deputy Head and it is nothing new regarding White Working class boys underperforming.

They have been a target group for around 15 years in inner city schools in terms of interventions to help raise performance.

Within education its nothing new, the way its reported tends to make people uncomfortable and angry.

The problem with white working class boys and black African Caribbean boys is underpinned by similar problems.

No positive role model figure
Low income
Lack of opportunities
Low self esteem
Lack of identity

People tend to react and respond in ways which tend to be over emotional to what the media puts out!


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 23 Nov 21 8.06pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Nubes

All I can say is wow to some of the comments and statements on the previous pages.

Im a Deputy Head and it is nothing new regarding White Working class boys underperforming.

They have been a target group for around 15 years in inner city schools in terms of interventions to help raise performance.

Within education its nothing new, the way its reported tends to make people uncomfortable and angry.

The problem with white working class boys and black African Caribbean boys is underpinned by similar problems.

No positive role model figure
Low income
Lack of opportunities
Low self esteem
Lack of identity

People tend to react and respond in ways which tend to be over emotional to what the media puts out!


Lack of identity!
What does that actually mean and is this list in a preferential order.
Also if 15 years has been invested in trying to change it; it clearly isn't working!

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Nov 21 9.59pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the biggest correlate for juvenile delinquency & educational failure is kids growing up without a dad.

some of these kids get away with such a disadvantage in life, many do not.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Nov 2021 10.23pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Nov 21 6.01am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the biggest correlate for juvenile delinquency & educational failure is kids growing up without a dad.

some of these kids get away with such a disadvantage in life, many do not.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (23 Nov 2021 10.23pm)

The mums need to consider why they had an unprotected moment with the said non dad. Many must know that their 'man' wasn't dad material.

 

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I largely agree with Nubes about the causes of under performance in education, but on the wider subject of White privilege, I would say that those people who supposedly have privilege have earned it or seized it one way or another.
White people are 10% of the world population, so you have to ask yourself why the 90% haven't done better.

White privilege is more accurately non-White envy, if we must use such terms.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

The mums need to consider why they had an unprotected moment with the said non dad. Many must know that their 'man' wasn't dad material.

If the mum wants to know who the absent father is all they have to do is ask the bloke sitting next to them on the sofa.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Nov 2021 8.14am)

 


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Originally posted by Nubes

All I can say is wow to some of the comments and statements on the previous pages.

Im a Deputy Head and it is nothing new regarding White Working class boys underperforming.

They have been a target group for around 15 years in inner city schools in terms of interventions to help raise performance.

Within education its nothing new, the way its reported tends to make people uncomfortable and angry.

The problem with white working class boys and black African Caribbean boys is underpinned by similar problems.

No positive role model figure
Low income
Lack of opportunities
Low self esteem
Lack of identity

People tend to react and respond in ways which tend to be over emotional to what the media puts out!


Maybe they do but there is also a reality/perception that there is very little actually done for white working class boys. Now to be fair, I suspect much of the brow-beating about the educational problems of Afro-Caribbean lads is clearly ineffectual and more about virtue signalling than any genuine concern but in a post-Brexit UK when labour shortages are clearly going to be an issue, it becomes in the national interest to ensure that as many kids as possible leave school equipped to work.

I have always believed that if a nation is willing to 'lend' somebody upwards of 30,000 to get a degree in almost anything, then a similar scheme to fund trade apprenticeships, at a lot less cost, should be a no brainer but I suspect the kind of kids we are talking about might even struggle to complete those.

I once heard a pretty full on Black Power type talk about what he wanted to do which was to have a scheme where by a Black kid could be removed from the education system and tutored, one on one, 24/7 in a location far away from where they came from. A pretty radical idea but I would guess, in the long run, potentially much more beneficial to the wider society. And no reason this could not apply to poor white lads as well.

 


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