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Casual Flag Orpington 26 Dec 20 10.59pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

If Roy and Ray go , I’ll only be happy if freedman goes with them. Otherwise it’s a no win.
-he takes over and we go down
-he takes over, we stay up and he gets the job full time
- a new manager takes over , freedman stays on and finds no fresh talent that we don’t already know about

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 26 Dec 20 11.03pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

You’re the one asking the questions and suggesting there isn’t a Manager out there who could do better job.

As I said feasibility is for the club to determine/decide.

As others have said there are many, young and hungry Managers out there that could do a far better job than Roy with this squad.

Compare us and Southampton - difference a young, hungry and ambitious Manager - know one had heard of Hasenhüttl 2 years ago..!!

If Southampton can do it why not Palace?

Personally I think Thomas Frank would be an excellent and exciting appointment.

COYP

Yes. I'm asking those who want Roy sacked exactly who they think he could be replaced by that would improve the side. And yes, I'm asking because it isn't obvious to me that there is a feasible option out there.

Frank has done well at Brentford, but not much more so than their previous coaches like Warburton or Smith. I tend think their results are more to do with them being a well run club with an established model (which is nothing like ours) than any great input from the coach.

In terms of results, he literally can't hold a candle to someone like Warnock, or the Serbian guy Watford and Fulham used to get promoted.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 26 Dec 20 11.05pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

If Roy and Ray go , I’ll only be happy if freedman goes with them. Otherwise it’s a no win.
-he takes over and we go down
-he takes over, we stay up and he gets the job full time
- a new manager takes over , freedman stays on and finds no fresh talent that we don’t already know about

Agreed DF should go along with Roy and Ray.

 

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Clive_ Flag 26 Dec 20 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Clive_ Add Clive_ as a friend

Iv watched this thread grow every time we loose a game. Iv Have had a season ticket for 25 years and remember on freezing December nights loosing to Grimsby town at home 3-0 and charlton. We've come on a hell of a way from there.
I'm one who sits on a fence on a lot of views but enjoy reading everyone's views and opinions and respect them so hope i don't get too much stick....
I might be a bit bias but know Roy and have spoken to him on many occasions after bad games and individual bad performances. And the consensus I got was he was there to be a political face in a multi billion game around the world where he is well thought of and highly regarded manager in football which has helped palace grow as a commercial asset. When I brought up players like benteke and Sakho it was almost like his answer was... I have to play them even if his body language told me he didn't want them anywhere near the team.
When he plays very solid defensive games and picks up points steadily he get ridiculed for boring football. So when he changes and trys the offensive game we get hit hard and look dreadful. But some times I think the players need to look harder and honestly at themselves. I understand he is the manager and should be able to motive the talented group of players we have. But if anyone actually watched the game today you would see how many mistakes the players made in the final 1/3. No matter how much coaching or good management... you expect every single professional footballer to make a pass to a team mate in offensive areas. We didn't do it once . And I read there were a little players out of position but once they cross that line they have to give it everything ifbthe wear that short we wish we could all wear so proudly but theae days money pays the bills and a lot ifbthe players just don't give a a toss.

Honestly I don't know what the answer is . I think as a tactically defensive coach Roy is up there as a top coach but I think the board have not supported him in bringing the players that he's actually wanted. He told me he desperately wanted 2 strikers 3 windows in a row and still the board didn't get who he wanted. I know when results don't honour waybthe manager is the one we all look at but we as a club are as good as we will ever be.. I am an ambitious guy and dream of winning the prem bit lets be real for a minute. I remember West ham fans hating bfs 6years ago but every year they stayed up in 'the promised land they in my opinion haven't improved but have spend 100s of millions . Does everyone remember when we got promoted how elated we were turning up watching our team play in the best league in the world buzzing every game even when we struggled. We need to get behind everyone at the club and some how create a buzz again i think we've all forgotten where we came from in 2010. I knowing hard but while he's in charge lets just support Roy. He really does have palaces best interests at heart .

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 26 Dec 20 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Have been very pro Roy since the start but the manner of today’s defeat was the first time I’ve been worried.

I still back him to turn it around, but we need to make some major changes from today. I’d like to see Clyne, Tompkins, Mitchell, Reidewald and Ayew starting against Leicester. The players need to know that today was totally unacceptable.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 26 Dec 20 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Yes. I'm asking those who want Roy sacked exactly who they think he could be replaced by that would improve the side. And yes, I'm asking because it isn't obvious to me that there is a feasible option out there.

Frank has done well at Brentford, but not much more so than their previous coaches like Warburton or Smith. I tend think their results are more to do with them being a well run club with an established model (which is nothing like ours) than any great input from the coach.

In terms of results, he literally can't hold a candle to someone like Warnock, or the Serbian guy Watford and Fulham used to get promoted.

You seem to be in a distinct minority who can’t see a feasible option that could do a better job than Roy,,!!

On Frank I disagree - as I said think he would be an excellent choice..!!

But you seem to think Colin would be/is better - everyone to their own and all that..!!


 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 26 Dec 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

You seem to be in a distinct minority who can’t see a feasible option that could do a better job than Roy,,!!

On Frank I disagree - as I said think he would be an excellent choice..!!

But you seem to think Colin would be/is better - everyone to their own and all that..!!



Not sure if your being obtuse now.

My point is that based on results even the likes of warnock (who I certainly wouldn't want back) have better records than Frank, who would be your first choice.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 26 Dec 20 11.27pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Clive_

Iv watched this thread grow every time we loose a game. Iv Have had a season ticket for 25 years and remember on freezing December nights loosing to Grimsby town at home 3-0 and charlton. We've come on a hell of a way from there.
I'm one who sits on a fence on a lot of views but enjoy reading everyone's views and opinions and respect them so hope i don't get too much stick....
I might be a bit bias but know Roy and have spoken to him on many occasions after bad games and individual bad performances. And the consensus I got was he was there to be a political face in a multi billion game around the world where he is well thought of and highly regarded manager in football which has helped palace grow as a commercial asset. When I brought up players like benteke and Sakho it was almost like his answer was... I have to play them even if his body language told me he didn't want them anywhere near the team.
When he plays very solid defensive games and picks up points steadily he get ridiculed for boring football. So when he changes and trys the offensive game we get hit hard and look dreadful. But some times I think the players need to look harder and honestly at themselves. I understand he is the manager and should be able to motive the talented group of players we have. But if anyone actually watched the game today you would see how many mistakes the players made in the final 1/3. No matter how much coaching or good management... you expect every single professional footballer to make a pass to a team mate in offensive areas. We didn't do it once . And I read there were a little players out of position but once they cross that line they have to give it everything ifbthe wear that short we wish we could all wear so proudly but theae days money pays the bills and a lot ifbthe players just don't give a a toss.

Honestly I don't know what the answer is . I think as a tactically defensive coach Roy is up there as a top coach but I think the board have not supported him in bringing the players that he's actually wanted. He told me he desperately wanted 2 strikers 3 windows in a row and still the board didn't get who he wanted. I know when results don't honour waybthe manager is the one we all look at but we as a club are as good as we will ever be.. I am an ambitious guy and dream of winning the prem bit lets be real for a minute. I remember West ham fans hating bfs 6years ago but every year they stayed up in 'the promised land they in my opinion haven't improved but have spend 100s of millions . Does everyone remember when we got promoted how elated we were turning up watching our team play in the best league in the world buzzing every game even when we struggled. We need to get behind everyone at the club and some how create a buzz again i think we've all forgotten where we came from in 2010. I knowing hard but while he's in charge lets just support Roy. He really does have palaces best interests at heart .

Thanks for that Roy and for all you’ve done but it’s time for you and Ray to go..!!

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 26 Dec 20 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Not really.

Theres plenty of managers that could do a better job than Roy.

Prior to his appointment, we'd had a rampant finish to the season and lost our first 3 games

All it took was a manager that didn't play two 20 year old full backs at centre back in a 3-4-3 and we were fine.

Frankly, all is required is someone who'll play their players in their correct position and play to the players strengths.

Roy's reminds me of a throw back from a bygone age of cronyism when Britain was the sick man of Europe. He doesn't have the talent or ability to do the job, but fits in with the powers that be.

There must be hundreds of intelligent, ambitious managers who want his job but have been locked out by an old boys club.

If there are hundreds of these managers, who are they, beyond the stale suggestions of Dyche and Howe.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Dec 20 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I suspect not many supporters expect us to get anything from the Leicester game so a defeat, unless it is substantial, will not be the catalyst for large swathes joining the 'Roy out' camp.

A defeat against Leicester followed by another defeat against rock-bottom Sheff Utd and the 'Roy out' camp will be significantly swelled with nostrils flaring like an angry bullock.HOL will be awash with vesuvian eruptions.

 

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 26 Dec 20 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt


Not sure if your being obtuse now.

My point is that based on results even the likes of warnock (who I certainly wouldn't want back) have better records than Frank, who would be your first choice.

Not at all if you think Warnock is / would be a better Manager than Thomas Frank - crack on..!!

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Dec 20 11.50pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect not many supporters expect us to get anything from the Leicester game so a defeat, unless it is substantial, will not be the catalyst for large swathes joining the 'Roy out' camp.

A defeat against Leicester followed by another defeat against rock-bottom Sheff Utd and the 'Roy out' camp will be significantly swelled with nostrils flaring like an angry bullock.HOL will be awash with vesuvian eruptions.

 


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