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Originally posted by JohnB

There are a hefty amount of people on here vehemently against the PPV options available. I don't want to sound like an arrogant c-unit, but can I ask what it is about the whole PPV thing that is angering people so much?

Is it the cost?
Is it the not knowing where/who this money will be going to?
Is it something else?

From my perspective, £14.95 for a game that would not normally have been available unless you had a season ticket or bought a one off match ticket, isn't that bad a price when you consider the average cost per season ticket is probably £20+ per game excl. travel, food, pre, during and post drinks etc. and a one off game, if it's not a cat 1 game that requires a cat 2 ticket purchased as well, is probably £45+ per ticket.

I would love for people to give me their genuine reasoning without taking offence and getting offensive, as I would love to understand the reasons as opposed to coming across as dismissive, inflammatory or controversial, which unfortunately these days you seem to have to caveat on social media when you have any kind of genuine question about an opposing view point!

In my opinion it's because it's now the only option if you want to watch the game. Rather than an option.

A lot of people already pay for subscription sport, so then to be asked to pay an additional £15, potentially once a month, at a time where attending games is not an option and a lot of fans will already have put money down to reserve or buy season tickets seems a bit aggressive.

If it was introduced as an alternative to actually going to the ground and watching the game, then maybe it would be welcome as a cheaper option vs. having to shell out for a match day or season ticket. In that context it seems reasonable.

Then there's also the thought that the money is not going directly to your club, which it would be when shelling out for a match or season ticket. It's going to the PL and then being distributed out. If it was going directly to the two clubs in question, I might be more positive towards it.

I can easily afford it but choose not to pay out of principle. I don't have sky, but occasionally get NOW TV for a month here and there if there's a load of sport on worth watching. But for those people paying £40+ a month for one or multiple services, adding on yet another £15 is not an easy sell.

I also think the cost is too high Ė 9.99 seems like a sweeter spot when PPV services like Now TV offer passes for about the same price.

Ultimately, I think people with subscriptions should get the extra games included. Those without should pay either for a subscription to or pay for a one off PPV fee per game. THAT makes way more sense to me.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (28 Oct 2020 12.38pm)

 


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View JohnB's Profile JohnB Flag 28 Oct 20 12.50pm Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In my opinion it's because it's now the only option if you want to watch the game. Rather than an option.

A lot of people already pay for subscription sport, so then to be asked to pay an additional £15, potentially once a month, at a time where attending games is not an option and a lot of fans will already have put money down to reserve or buy season tickets seems a bit aggressive.

If it was introduced as an alternative to actually going to the ground and watching the game, then maybe it would be welcome as a cheaper option vs. having to shell out for a match day or season ticket. In that context it seems reasonable.

Then there's also the thought that the money is not going directly to your club, which it would be when shelling out for a match or season ticket. It's going to the PL and then being distributed out. If it was going directly to the two clubs in question, I might be more positive towards it.

I can easily afford it but choose not to pay out of principle. I don't have sky, but occasionally get NOW TV for a month here and there if there's a load of sport on worth watching. But for those people paying £40+ a month for one or multiple services, adding on yet another £15 is not an easy sell.

I also think the cost is too high Ė 9.99 seems like a sweeter spot when PPV services like Now TV offer passes for about the same price.

Ultimately, I think people with subscriptions should get the extra games included. Those without should pay either for a subscription to or pay for a one off PPV fee per game. THAT makes way more sense to me.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (28 Oct 2020 12.38pm)

I get the first line that I highlighted in bold, but at the same token, these games prior to the current situation were only available as live games or illegally streamed, so it really is no difference in that aspect. The cost is ultimately less than either a season ticket or one off ticket.

I get that many people have paid upfront for season tickets, but clubs are also refunding this on a per game basis, so essentially they should be better off.

I would love the price to be lower, that goes without saying. However, I went into a subscription knowing the approx amount of games that would be televised and this still hasn't changed. The only change is the ability to purchase games that were previously limited to the capacity of the stadiums.

Ultimately, I get that it's not cheap but I also think it is in comparison to actually attending the game. I do also feel that there is an element of self entitlement in the world that is unrealistic.

Like you, I am in a privileged position where the money is less of an issue, but I also know what it is like to have to budget and compromise and ultimately when compared to mortgages/rent/food etc. watching a football match is a luxury and not a right.

The PPV games are not forced on anyone and everyone has a choice, which is why I don't completely understand the viewpoint of this being met so negatively. I won't buy every game, but having the option to buy games I wouldn't have seen otherwise for £15 isn't that bad of a deal all things considering.

Again, love to hear reasoned counters to this as I want to get a full understanding of everything, as I genuinely don't understand the current outrage to it.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Oct 20 1.03pm

Originally posted by JohnB

I get the first line that I highlighted in bold, but at the same token, these games prior to the current situation were only available as live games or illegally streamed, so it really is no difference in that aspect. The cost is ultimately less than either a season ticket or one off ticket.

I get that many people have paid upfront for season tickets, but clubs are also refunding this on a per game basis, so essentially they should be better off.

I would love the price to be lower, that goes without saying. However, I went into a subscription knowing the approx amount of games that would be televised and this still hasn't changed. The only change is the ability to purchase games that were previously limited to the capacity of the stadiums.

Ultimately, I get that it's not cheap but I also think it is in comparison to actually attending the game. I do also feel that there is an element of self entitlement in the world that is unrealistic.

Like you, I am in a privileged position where the money is less of an issue, but I also know what it is like to have to budget and compromise and ultimately when compared to mortgages/rent/food etc. watching a football match is a luxury and not a right.

The PPV games are not forced on anyone and everyone has a choice, which is why I don't completely understand the viewpoint of this being met so negatively. I won't buy every game, but having the option to buy games I wouldn't have seen otherwise for £15 isn't that bad of a deal all things considering.

Again, love to hear reasoned counters to this as I want to get a full understanding of everything, as I genuinely don't understand the current outrage to it.


John,

I hear your points. For me the anger is that I donít feel like Iím getting anything paying £23pm for SKY sports.

But you know what, I donít think you need to have SKY sports to watch box office so I will probably just cancel SKY sports and pay to watch Palace.

If Iím wrong though, and you do need SKY sports in order to watch box office I will be P@ssed off.

If thereís no free football anymore then what the point in paying £23pm?

 


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Originally posted by JohnB

I get the first line that I highlighted in bold, but at the same token, these games prior to the current situation were only available as live games or illegally streamed, so it really is no difference in that aspect. The cost is ultimately less than either a season ticket or one off ticket.

I get that many people have paid upfront for season tickets, but clubs are also refunding this on a per game basis, so essentially they should be better off.

I would love the price to be lower, that goes without saying. However, I went into a subscription knowing the approx amount of games that would be televised and this still hasn't changed. The only change is the ability to purchase games that were previously limited to the capacity of the stadiums.

Ultimately, I get that it's not cheap but I also think it is in comparison to actually attending the game. I do also feel that there is an element of self entitlement in the world that is unrealistic.

Like you, I am in a privileged position where the money is less of an issue, but I also know what it is like to have to budget and compromise and ultimately when compared to mortgages/rent/food etc. watching a football match is a luxury and not a right.

The PPV games are not forced on anyone and everyone has a choice, which is why I don't completely understand the viewpoint of this being met so negatively. I won't buy every game, but having the option to buy games I wouldn't have seen otherwise for £15 isn't that bad of a deal all things considering.

Again, love to hear reasoned counters to this as I want to get a full understanding of everything, as I genuinely don't understand the current outrage to it.

I don't understand comparing prices for actually being there to watching it on the telly.

Paying 15 quid to watch it on the telly is far too much imo.

A lot of people gripe at paying the TV license fee but some of those are content to pay £15 for a couple of hours viewing. Strange.

 

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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


John,

I hear your points. For me the anger is that I donít feel like Iím getting anything paying £23pm for SKY sports.

But you know what, I donít think you need to have SKY sports to watch box office so I will probably just cancel SKY sports and pay to watch Palace.

If Iím wrong though, and you do need SKY sports in order to watch box office I will be P@ssed off.

If thereís no free football anymore then what the point in paying £23pm?

It would have been the thin edge of the wedge. Had PPV been a success, Sky and BT would have dropped more games from their usual offering and made more PPV.

 

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Originally posted by JohnB

I get the first line that I highlighted in bold, but at the same token, these games prior to the current situation were only available as live games or illegally streamed, so it really is no difference in that aspect. The cost is ultimately less than either a season ticket or one off ticket.

I get that many people have paid upfront for season tickets, but clubs are also refunding this on a per game basis, so essentially they should be better off.

I would love the price to be lower, that goes without saying. However, I went into a subscription knowing the approx amount of games that would be televised and this still hasn't changed. The only change is the ability to purchase games that were previously limited to the capacity of the stadiums.

Ultimately, I get that it's not cheap but I also think it is in comparison to actually attending the game. I do also feel that there is an element of self entitlement in the world that is unrealistic.

Like you, I am in a privileged position where the money is less of an issue, but I also know what it is like to have to budget and compromise and ultimately when compared to mortgages/rent/food etc. watching a football match is a luxury and not a right.

The PPV games are not forced on anyone and everyone has a choice, which is why I don't completely understand the viewpoint of this being met so negatively. I won't buy every game, but having the option to buy games I wouldn't have seen otherwise for £15 isn't that bad of a deal all things considering.

Again, love to hear reasoned counters to this as I want to get a full understanding of everything, as I genuinely don't understand the current outrage to it.

I'm not sure it's as easy to compare before/after in the same way here as you make out. We are in an unprecendented situation, where there is literally no other choice other than to watch via TV. Yes non-scheduled games weren't shown before, but there was an alternative. The situation then is not the same as now, so I don't believe that to be a fair comparison and to frame it as simply as 'they weren't shown before, so it makes sense to charge for them now'. It's more nuanced than that and it's as much a strategic PR and brand (maybe with a tiny bt of morality in there, if there's any left) as well as a business decision.

The other main issue that is clearly driving the backlash is the fact they have already 'given away' games before. To now start charging will always create negative sentiment.

I'd agree totally that it's not a right, IF you're not already paying for subscription sport. I understand the resentment to be asked to pay more at a time when not everyone is earning, and you're literally a captive audience. Again, I agree it's not a right, but it's less clear cut than you make out.

To add to my previous closing point, it sounds like the providers were not entirely happy with the PPV proposal in the first place which tells me that really, it's not going to be that much of an issue for them financially to absorb, but the fallout and loss of customers/sentiment will be. I would assume their PR and brand departments were probably not in favour, but have been overruled by the PL clubs.

It's a benefit evaluation exercise. PPV and piss loads of customers off, for what sounds like will be a meagre return and risk losing even more goodwill Ė or offer subscribing customers the games in addition to their fees and create positive sentiment around the brand and potentially even more loyal subscribers.

It's a customer service decision on top of that as well. Sometimes you've jut got to go with your gut and do the right thing. Have you ever had a customer service experience where the person you're dealing with has been a bit more flexible than you'd expect? Did that make you more or less likely to be positive about that experience, and by extension that brand and business? Likelihood is yes, more positive, and more likely to buy from there again.

Same principle here. Why charge 15 quid for additional games when you can say they're included and gain more loyal, repeat paying annual subscribers? Doesn't make business sense to me, especially when even the financial benefit alone is so minimal vs. the overall negative effect.

 


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The argument for ppv is easily countered in this country by comparing us with every other European country who get EVERY match every week, for a damn sight less and if they choose to go to their local bar to watch, then probably they can see their favourite team all year for free.

I actually find it baffling that there is a general acceptance of the Sky Sports cost, BT Sports cost and now Amazon in the country that invented the damn sport and now exports it across the world at vast profit. If anything, we in the UK should be getting it for free and the rest of the world should be forking out to watch our PL matches.

It is rip off Britain and has been for years.

I no longer subscribe to any of the mainstream provider services. I can get them elsewhere for considerably less.

Edited by Eaglecoops (28 Oct 2020 2.06pm)

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Oct 20 2.45pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The argument for ppv is easily countered in this country by comparing us with every other European country who get EVERY match every week, for a damn sight less and if they choose to go to their local bar to watch, then probably they can see their favourite team all year for free.

I actually find it baffling that there is a general acceptance of the Sky Sports cost, BT Sports cost and now Amazon in the country that invented the damn sport and now exports it across the world at vast profit. If anything, we in the UK should be getting it for free and the rest of the world should be forking out to watch our PL matches.

It is rip off Britain and has been for years.

I no longer subscribe to any of the mainstream provider services. I can get them elsewhere for considerably less.

Edited by Eaglecoops (28 Oct 2020 2.06pm)


Agreed mate

 


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Originally posted by martin2412

It would have been the thin edge of the wedge. Had PPV been a success, Sky and BT would have dropped more games from their usual offering and made more PPV.

I dont think they would as clubs have an agreement for a minimum amount of free to air (subscriptions yes) live games over the air waves. The question I ask is in a normal non C19 season would you pay. Is it a bit of our style of play offsetting the VFM!

 

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We need to make a point. Do not watch the Pay Per View - if you look at this link: [Link] : you see that Fulham fans have made their point about charity donation instead of PPV. So why don't Palace fans organise things to donate to Palace for Life , [Link] . Make a positive

 

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Easy answer to this at the moment. Go to the pub and watch the game as they have, temporarily at least, been given free access to the PPV matches.

Can then donate the money to a decent cause, or spend it on beer

 

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Originally posted by JohnB

I get that many people have paid upfront for season tickets, but clubs are also refunding this on a per game basis, so essentially they should be better off.


I know of one club not doing that - unless I've missed something.

 

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