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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Dec 20 12.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I felt we were more dangerous during this season early on so Iím glad weíre letting that flow a lot more. We have 3 players that can run with the ball close to them. Zaha, Eze and Schlupp and the first 2 can go past players. This is similar to RLC and how I think Roy relies on players expressing themselves rather than instructing a pattern of play. Itís a shame Batshuayi isnít working out this time but maybe that can develop with better attacking play.

 


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View Wilbraham413's Profile Wilbraham413 Flag 14 Dec 20 3.43am Send a Private Message to Wilbraham413 Add Wilbraham413 as a friend

The only difference I see is Eze is finally starting every match. He's someone the other team has to worry about besides Zaha.

Also, Benteke is proving to be useful knocking the ball down. We need that since we can't really string together a bunch of passes.

I'm trying to not get too excited, since we play West Ham on Wednesday.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Dec 20 5.41am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

The only difference I see is Eze is finally starting every match. He's someone the other team has to worry about besides Zaha.

Also, Benteke is proving to be useful knocking the ball down. We need that since we can't really string together a bunch of passes.

I'm trying to not get too excited, since we play West Ham on Wednesday.

Would take a point against spam the way they are playing tbh.

 

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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 14 Dec 20 8.12am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Would take a point against spam the way they are playing tbh.

Sadly for us, Westham played Friday which has given them a couple more days rest. Makes all the difference these days with so many matches in short periods, small squads and in our case an aging squad. Letís hope it doesnít make the difference that I feel it will though?

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 14 Dec 20 9.05am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Having 2 full backs with pace and Kouyate playing at centre half is letting us play with a lot more freedom as last season we constantly had to make sure Ward and the centre backs werenít going to get done for pace and help them out.

Eze is an absolute joy to behold. What a football player this young man is.

In my view Roy has found a position for Schlupp. He is not in the same league as Eze but he balances things out just nicely.

Benteke returning to form.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 14 Dec 20 9.26am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I think a big part of our turnaround is what appears to be the blossoming relationship between Eze and Zaha. When Eze first came into the team Zaha didn't seem to pay a great deal of attention to him, but post-COVID Zaha seems to have acknowledged that he can help his game and on countless occasions yesterday they linked up to good effect. Added to this, Bentenke seems rejuvenated and willing to play the target man (he won nearly everything in the air yesterday). Another big plus was the fact we had the same back 4 for consecutive games, with two leaders on the pitch in Luka and Cahill. Schlupp had another good game too.

If we can keep that first XI fit and with good options on the bench then for the first time in ages maybe we can start to feel optimistic. I can't imagine many teams will want to face Eze and Wilf right now.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Dec 20 9.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think a big part of our turnaround is what appears to be the blossoming relationship between Eze and Zaha. When Eze first came into the team Zaha didn't seem to pay a great deal of attention to him, but post-COVID Zaha seems to have acknowledged that he can help his game and on countless occasions yesterday they linked up to good effect. Added to this, Bentenke seems rejuvenated and willing to play the target man (he won nearly everything in the air yesterday). Another big plus was the fact we had the same back 4 for consecutive games, with two leaders on the pitch in Luka and Cahill. Schlupp had another good game too.

If we can keep that first XI fit and with good options on the bench then for the first time in ages maybe we can start to feel optimistic. I can't imagine many teams will want to face Eze and Wilf right now.

I think this is a glimpse of how good Zaha is when he has other creative players around him and is not being marked out of the game. If we could get another creative CM we would be flying.

 


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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Flag 14 Dec 20 9.58am Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

One of the Commentator's touched on it during the Tottenham game - Roy loves Zaha central and Eze allows him that option properly.

Last season and beginning of this season, Roy would insist on Zaha central but this meant the likes of James Macarthur on the left wing. That just isn't his position despite his work-horse determination.

It lead to a frustrated Zaha and completely ineffective left side. Now we have Eze for the left and currently Shlupp but depending on form, Townsend for the right.

Benteke has looked good for the last 2 games but I'm not going to say the 'old Benteke' is back as I'm not sure he's capable of much anymore. Even against Spurs, he done some great stuff and then missed an open header from a Corner and moments later headed a ball into the Keeper's hands when it was easier to put it either corner.

In the case he goes down hill, we have Batshuyi who I believe is the better Forward and will eventually be our undisputed Striker but having him and Ayew bench-warming isn't a bad situation for a little club like us to be in.

I still have issue with Roy's reaction tactics. To have Townsend/Ayew/Batshuyi on our bench is a massive plus but I don't see any of them getting used. You either seem to be in Roy's starting 11 or you get 5 minutes at the end. There's no inbetween.

I think this will lead to drops in form for the likes of Luka, Benteke and Kouyate but will take several more games and several more dropped points than it should to be put right.

That's very harsh of me though to ridicule Roy for something I think he might do but hasn't done yet. I'd love to be wrong and the second Luka starts spraying 40 yard passes to no one and Kouyate starts losing concentration at the back (that free-kick against Spurs in the last minute) would be lovely to see Roy immediately bring back Dann or Sakho, drop Luka and move Kouyate into the middle. Benteke goes without saying. Even if he does some nice link-up play, if he hasn't scored in 5 matches including against the Relegation fodder, swap him out for Batshuyi and see if he scores as well as 'tries hard' like Benteke.

Edited by leejaneagles (14 Dec 2020 9.59am)

 

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GujiMadDog Flag England 14 Dec 20 11.20am

Eze has made all the difference. He, like Zaha, creates space for others to flourish in. He makes things happen.

TBH I was expecting a typical Hodgson defence first, second and third with a hopeful/lucky break or two tactics. A mentality I expected even after going a goal down. We're still in the game after all?

How wrong I was. Instead, we took the game to them, created some very good chances and ran out with a well deserved point.

I can only see the quadrant of Eze, Wilf, Benteke and Shlupp getting better as the season progresses.

Yes, Benteke too. Sure he missed a couple of very good chances but his importance to this flexible quadrant should not be underestimated. Particularly in the absence of another striker who can hold up the ball and play in others. Batsman needs to adapt his game to ours to be of use.

For the first time in ages, Im looking forward to watching us play again.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Dec 20 12.07pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Nail on head. A team with our restricted squad suffers badly when key players are injured. A full squad and we can finally play.

Well one thing we do have now is squad depth.

RH saying he has 11 quality replacements.

Top players cannot even make the bench.

Dann, Sakho, Meyer, Kelly, Mitchell didn't make the bench yesterday.

Should make a huge difference compared to years of injury crises.

 

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View HolmesdaleUpper's Profile HolmesdaleUpper Flag Sanderstead 14 Dec 20 12.31pm Send a Private Message to HolmesdaleUpper Add HolmesdaleUpper as a friend

And, the two muppets on MOTD last night actually said they enjoyed watching us.
My god something positive from the BBC.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 14 Dec 20 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by HolmesdaleUpper

And, the two muppets on MOTD last night actually said they enjoyed watching us.
My god something positive from the BBC.


It was good to hear them question Jose, saying we had been long ball . We had been far from that yesterday, or the previous week, and it was good to watch.
Eze, is proving to be the missing link, to bring the ball forward , and on the whole distribute it accurately, and cleverly.
Not having his like has always been the problem. There was hope for Meyer, to do this, it just never really happened.
When you get a player of Eze,s ability , you can think differently tactically, and we already appear to be doing that.

 

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