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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 01 Apr 21 4.25am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

He scores a couple of goals in an U23 game and thatís sufficient to justify another year on the physioís table. This is mental!
Itís No Coincidence he needs to secure a new contract and suddenly heís fit again.
Such a terrible waste of talent - could have been a real legend for us.

We ought to have learned our lesson by now - history tells us that this little flash of form will be short lived. Talk about flogging a dead horse. Weíve got to move on.

Just so I'm clear, what are you suggesting here? That, depsite being fit and fine to play, Connor was faking an injury so he wouldn't have to play...? And now that his contract is up, he's decided to play so he can earn a new contract?

And somehow the medical team/physios are on board with this? Or is he fooling them too?

Sorry, just want to make sure I'm clear on what you're insinuating. Please correct me if I've misunderstood.

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 01 Apr 21 9.07am Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Iím suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality.

Iím not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved.

But that desperation to play and commitment to do the hard work that is needed to get back seems to lacking. Some players are happy to do the bare minimum and collect their salary every month Connor Wickham is one of them in my view.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 01 Apr 21 12.10pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Who would CHOOSE to avoid the excitement of first team football, the adulation, the sponsorship money, the chunk of the £30M + sale to a £5m+ a year ECL club if he succeeded etc?

That people even suggest this..?

 

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View Philís Barber's Profile Philís Barber Flag Crowborough 01 Apr 21 2.04pm Send a Private Message to Philís Barber Add Philís Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

Iím suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality.

Iím not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved.

But that desperation to play and commitment to do the hard work that is needed to get back seems to lacking. Some players are happy to do the bare minimum and collect their salary every month Connor Wickham is one of them in my view.


You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Apr 21 2.15pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Philís Barber


You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform.

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever.

Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 01 Apr 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever.

Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair.

There was an interview with Wayne Bridge recently where he said he was put out in the cold by a manager after complaining about a niggle before a game.

Thought the manager was absolutely in the right to do it.

There's a seen in invictus where Nelson Mandela asks Francois Piennar about an injury. Piennar replies "to be honest, you are never 100% fit". That conversation would have happened prior to 1995, so Piennar wouldn't have even been professional. Fictional, but goes to show that professional players need to accept they are likely to be constantly carrying injuries. Particularly as they age. There seems to be a worrying amount of players that walk of the pitch with signs of only minor discomfort.

However, this may not apply to Wickham. I'm surprised a guy of his size gets so many injuries still. Perhaps unsurprising that his knee was a problem, other setbacks are questionable.

I'd really question our strength and conditioning training. Something doesn't seem right with the amount of injuries we get, its not simply down to age.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Apr 21 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

There are players who want to play football at all costs. There are players who are happy to sit on the sidelines forever whilst raking in a lovely salary. There are no benefits for playing well or for appearances unless you happen to have a rare contract that specifies this.

Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Apr 21 4.29pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.

How can we possibly know as all we have to go on is gossip and speculation

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Apr 21 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops


Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.


Surely, it isnít as simple as questioning Wickhams character.
There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Apr 21 8.53pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Surely, it isnít as simple as questioning Wickhams character.
There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off.

Spot on.

 

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View Philís Barber's Profile Philís Barber Flag Crowborough 01 Apr 21 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Philís Barber Add Philís Barber as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever.

Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair.

It may well do, as that overarching mental attitude has the potential to directly affect the level of work put in and the compliance with doís and doníts, during treatment and rehabilitation. Some will work harder and be more committed to looking after themselves than others and that will directly affect their bodies and their recovery rates.

There have also been numerous studies conducted on the very subject of how mental attitude can affect treatment and recovery, furthermore highlighting that the two can be intrinsically linked.

Iím not saying there has been anything wrong with Connors attitude, only that Elphers40 expressed opinion cannot be dismissed out of hand, because he may well be right.


Edited by Philís Barber (01 Apr 2021 11.01pm)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Apr 21 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Surely, it isnít as simple as questioning Wickhams character.
There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off.

I havenít suggested he has conned anyone although you seem keen to put those words in my mouth? He may well be at the, Ďwants to play football at all costsí end of the spectrum. There are players out there though who will do as little as possible to earn as much as possible.

 

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