Isn't adopting the Euro a prerequisite of joining?
In any case it seems a strange position to endorse the EU but reject their currency.

'Undoubtably'

Plenty of doubt on that actually.

I think it's more likely that there would be a lot of options on the table if it came to rejoining.

I also think it's more likely that taking the Euro would be off the table as it is a political and cultural atomic bomb.

If we're such a big player in Europe then not adopting the Euro isn't likely to be a big problem. The only scenario I can see us ever adopting it would be if we are in an awful predicament where it's the only way out of severe economic and cultural decline. an existential crisis, if you will. Likelihood of that happening is pretty low.

I believe this to all be moot anyway, at least for the next 10 years, minimum.

Also re. 'unreasonable' – are they not just fighting for their own interests? Just like we are? What do you expect to happen in a negotiation. Roll over and let the minnow win?

Edited by SW19 CPFC (15 Feb 2023 1.06pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Exactly. So don't complain when your oversimplified assumptions of how Brexit was going to work aren't the reality!

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

But ultimately it is the 'only issue'. The entire notion of diluting national sovereignty effectively boils down to matters of whose controls your border with subsquent immigration policy a direct consequence of that.

Our continued membership of the EU was essentially down to a simple yes or no question. Westminster or Brussels deciding who or what can come into the country.

Now of course you could argue that Westminster made a deliberate choice to hand that power over to Brussels but it did so without consulting the British people first, at least until June 2016.

And then we have had the resulting s***-storm/energetic democratic process (delete as per your viewpoint) ever since.

Now I have no love for Westminster, and my loathing has grown ever since June 2016 with brief snatches of optimism but at least I can now solely focus my disgust at it, rather than being able to blame the EU. Which for me is how it should be and also a way of holding our own political class far, far more to account. Arseholes hid behind Brussels for far too long as it was.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Having the ability to make and amend our own laws. Maybe the recent change on protests might be one that the eu could have curtailed im not sure tbh. Oh I voted remain btw and at the time was annoyed with brexit. Now though I feel I voted wrongly looking at how the eu is acting over brexit.

Plenty of lawmaking that wasn't EU related throughout the 40 or so years of being part of the EU.. they didn't make all our laws, and we also had the choice over whether to adopt them. Also worth noting that a lot of EU adopted laws would have had significant benefits to us. But most people ignore that and focus on the one or two that gripe the most. The rest, of course, are irrelevant.

EU perfectly within their rights to want what's best for them and make it difficult for us. You're a terrible negotiator if you don't drive a hard bargain. That's how negotiations work. This pervasive sense of entitlement that we should somehow be treated differently / easily is bizarre. Perhaps from a misguided belief that we're bigger and more important than we actually are?

Also – we're doing the same thing ourselves, being tough and difficult in negotiations, and rightly so.

I also voted remain but I have no interest in rejoining in the near/medium term – we'd get a worse deal than we had before. However if we continue to completely bungle making a go of it outside the union then the time will come where the vote gets put to the public again. Probably not for another 15-20 years though.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (16 Feb 2023 2.26pm)

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