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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 31 Mar 23 6.20pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Common ownership of energy water and rail is an absolute must.

Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference?

Privatisation is the God that failed.

Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover.

The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them.

The problem is that nationalised industries are usually even worse.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Mar 23 6.55pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Common ownership of energy water and rail is an absolute must.

Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference?

Privatisation is the God that failed.

Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover.

The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them.

So who pays if a nationalised service fails ?
At least with privatised companies the management have to try to prevent failures for theirs and the shareholders benefit and failures cost a lot less I would imagine !

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Apr 23 7.15am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Why do the tories see privatisations, in the face of all their failures, as their preference?

Privatisation is the God that failed.

Rotten services, sky-high prices, zero investment, absent foreign owners, naked profiteering, highest taxes and borrowing since WW2 to keep them in clover.

The taxpayer ultimately picks up the tab for all their failures, not them.

Whilst the utilities may have been privatised under the Tories it was the traditional Labour supporters who snaffled the shares in the offerings then subsequently sold out when offered large profits

 

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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.37am

Originally posted by georgenorman

The problem is that nationalised industries are usually even worse.

The nationalised rail network runs like clockwork in many European countries and is actually affortable. In this country we tend to privatise gains and socialise loses. In fact that almost always happens.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Apr 23 10.38am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

if you look at the top 20 Labour members.......what a rogues gallery of eejits.

do you see any ? .....

man-hating feminists
dunces

Marxists
silencers of grooming rape-victims

apologists for Islamic terrorism
haters of christianity/Judaism

socialist dinosaurs
sexual ideology deviants

defenders of Sharia Courts and a parallel society with zero allegiance to the King

what a sh1t-show

 


inŠr n-aonar i Anerley, uimhir a haon londain theas

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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.39am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whilst the utilities may have been privatised under the Tories it was the traditional Labour supporters who snaffled the shares in the offerings then subsequently sold out when offered large profits

I remember when the Post office was privatised. Big investors got first dogs and the man on the street (regardless of politics) had a limit of a few K they could vuy. That's more in line with what actually happens during privatisation.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 01 Apr 23 10.46am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

The nationalised rail network runs like clockwork in many European countries and is actually affortable. In this country we tend to privatise gains and socialise loses. In fact that almost always happens.

I'm old enough to remember when the railways here were nationalised and they ran more like a sun-dial than clockwork.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Apr 23 10.51am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Something like water NOT being nationalised makes little sense to me. It is an absolutely vital component of everyday life. I struggle to see how you can introduce any kind of 'for profit' motive in any kind of traditional capitalistic frame (i.e one that has to has to, by its very nature, impose a withdrawal of service penalty for refusal to pay for it)

Everybody in a modern nation-state should have access to clean drinking water and sewerage.

But trains? An element of genuine competition, along with the regulation of market forces, sits much, much more easily with me.

Edited by Matov (01 Apr 2023 10.52am)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 01 Apr 23 10.55am

Originally posted by georgenorman

I'm old enough to remember when the railways here were nationalised and they ran more like a sun-dial than clockwork.

Certainly the railway here has struggled at times. The beeching cuts, unpopular the the time, would be a good example of that. My point is that many countries do get nationalisation right and at it's most effective it's often more effective as can be seen in other countries. The problem I suppose often may be that governments that wish to privatise have the tools to let nationalised industries fail, and it's a big of a cash windfall in the moment. A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years.


 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Apr 23 11.08am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years.



And in a social media age, then Governments focus does not even seem to extend to 4 years. News cycle to news cycle, often no more than a few days at a time.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Apr 23 11.56am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

Certainly the railway here has struggled at times. The beeching cuts, unpopular the the time, would be a good example of that. My point is that many countries do get nationalisation right and at it's most effective it's often more effective as can be seen in other countries. The problem I suppose often may be that governments that wish to privatise have the tools to let nationalised industries fail, and it's a big of a cash windfall in the moment. A significant failing of our politics is that no government thinks beyond four years, or you can even argue beyond election years.


Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail.

Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x.

A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Now 5k (five thousand pounds) for a season ticket to travel 35 miles, and a monthly visa £875, never thought I'd pine for British Rail.

Privatisation has turned out to be a profiteering racket, the whole point of it, that it would be more efficient, more investment and less costly, is all b****x.

A further raft of across the board increases today will hit hard-pressed Brits, I don't know how we tolerate, or can afford them.

Can't remember the last time I used a train.

 

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