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BlueJay UK 23 Jun 22 2.41pm
Originally posted by Matov I like to think my country has left me to be fair, with its values and aims no longer matching my own. A rather self orientated and individualistic outlook, but then those are the time we're in. To be honest I partially see it as a mindset you're walked yourself into, and are overlooking much that has not changed or that is good about those you possibly don't have time for. On the other hand, if you're not happy somewhere there's little point staying for the sake of it, and it makes sense to spend time in places where you're more happy with life. Where you've worked hard enough for that to be an option, then an option it should be!
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BlueJay

UK 23 Jun 22 2.41pm

Originally posted by Matov

I like to think my country has left me to be fair, with its values and aims no longer matching my own.

A rather self orientated and individualistic outlook, but then those are the time we're in. To be honest I partially see it as a mindset you're walked yourself into, and are overlooking much that has not changed or that is good about those you possibly don't have time for.

On the other hand, if you're not happy somewhere there's little point staying for the sake of it, and it makes sense to spend time in places where you're more happy with life. Where you've worked hard enough for that to be an option, then an option it should be!

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W12 23 Jun 22 3.13pm
Originally posted by croydon proud I see Richard Littlejohn, that bastian of the right who seems to love everything little britain does, actually lives in Florida! Do as I say ....etc Hardly
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W12 23 Jun 22 3.13pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I see Richard Littlejohn, that bastian of the right who seems to love everything little britain does, actually lives in Florida! Do as I say ....etc

Hardly

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 22 3.19pm
Originally posted by W12 Hardly He"s not a daily mail lefty w12
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Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 22 3.19pm

Originally posted by W12

Hardly

He"s not a daily mail lefty w12

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Matov Online 27 Jul 22 9.05pm
So let me get this straight. Starmer sacks a shadow minister for supporting a Trade Union strike? LOL. You have to love Labour. This is the kind of s*** I adore. [Link] Do we think Keir even has an idea about what the Labour Party are meant to represent? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov Online

27 Jul 22 9.05pm

So let me get this straight.

Starmer sacks a shadow minister for supporting a Trade Union strike?

LOL.

You have to love Labour. This is the kind of s*** I adore.

[Link]

Do we think Keir even has an idea about what the Labour Party are meant to represent?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jul 22 11.36pm
Labours greatest achievement, the NHS. Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule. Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline. This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working. 'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'. Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know.
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Croydon 27 Jul 22 11.36pm

Labours greatest achievement, the NHS.

Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule.

Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline.

This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working.

'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'.

Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know.

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Teddy Eagle 27 Jul 22 11.51pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Labours greatest achievement, the NHS. Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule. Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline. This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working. 'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'. Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know. Yes but that greatest achievement 74 years ago.
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Teddy Eagle

27 Jul 22 11.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labours greatest achievement, the NHS.

Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule.

Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline.

This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working.

'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'.

Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know.

Yes but that greatest achievement 74 years ago.

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cryrst Online The garden of England 28 Jul 22 5.49am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Labours greatest achievement, the NHS. Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule. Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline. This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working. 'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'. Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know. So the nhs works but we’ve got no money, so our health deteriorates and more people need the nhs and then it’s overrun as it is now. Nah I don’t see that as viable. The problem with the nhs is it’s scared of change, scared to actually consider it might work better with change, a bit like the railways atm. The nhs wasn’t designed to keep people alive , it was designed to get people better. Like the social system was designed as a safety net but now for millions it’s a way of life.
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cryrst Online

The garden of England 28 Jul 22 5.49am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Labours greatest achievement, the NHS.

Now in critical condition after 12 years of tory rule.

Where is the labour response, even if its difficult, what do we have yet more petty internal discipline.

This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working.

'You can't trust the tories on the NHS'.

Of course that's true, Sunak's huge tax hike where has it all gone as if we didn't know.

So the nhs works but we’ve got no money, so our health deteriorates and more people need the nhs and then it’s overrun as it is now. Nah I don’t see that as viable.
The problem with the nhs is it’s scared of change, scared to actually consider it might work better with change, a bit like the railways atm. The nhs wasn’t designed to keep people alive , it was designed to get people better. Like the social system was designed as a safety net but now for millions it’s a way of life.

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Matov Online 28 Jul 22 6.22am
Originally posted by steeleye20 This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working. The notion that the NHS can be 'fixed' by just throwing more money at it is perhaps the single biggest failure by the Left to comprehend what the crux of the issue is. The NHS needs a major reimagining in terms of how it functions and what the public expectation of it is. Just telling people they need to pay more tax for what is already a vastly over-bloated organisation that clearly needs a massive overhaul is never going to work. One example I always use is this notion that people can just book appointments then fail to keep them but are not penalised in anyway. There should be a strict system in place whereby people who miss one appointment in the space of a year are required to pay a small deposit before they are allowed to book another. They keep them, get it returned. Now of course that would require some tweaking and would fly in the face of the 'free at the point of use mantra' but people have to learn to value the service. If you believe that something like the NHS is a 'right', then that must also come with a sense of responsibility from the people using it as well. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov Online

28 Jul 22 6.22am

Originally posted by steeleye20

This crisis would not be happening with Corbyn as PM, it may cost us an arm and a leg in taxes but it would be working.

The notion that the NHS can be 'fixed' by just throwing more money at it is perhaps the single biggest failure by the Left to comprehend what the crux of the issue is.

The NHS needs a major reimagining in terms of how it functions and what the public expectation of it is. Just telling people they need to pay more tax for what is already a vastly over-bloated organisation that clearly needs a massive overhaul is never going to work.

One example I always use is this notion that people can just book appointments then fail to keep them but are not penalised in anyway. There should be a strict system in place whereby people who miss one appointment in the space of a year are required to pay a small deposit before they are allowed to book another. They keep them, get it returned. Now of course that would require some tweaking and would fly in the face of the 'free at the point of use mantra' but people have to learn to value the service. If you believe that something like the NHS is a 'right', then that must also come with a sense of responsibility from the people using it as well.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov Online 28 Jul 22 6.28am
And credit where it is due to the 'Left'. Powerful stuff. Although this preponderance of white, working class, men, (even wearing ties! A huge bonus in my book) leading the charge seems a tad 'toxic' by modern standards but fair play, hard to disagree with what the man is saying. [Tweet Link] "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov Online

28 Jul 22 6.28am

And credit where it is due to the 'Left'. Powerful stuff.

Although this preponderance of white, working class, men, (even wearing ties! A huge bonus in my book) leading the charge seems a tad 'toxic' by modern standards but fair play, hard to disagree with what the man is saying.

[Tweet Link]

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Teddy Eagle 28 Jul 22 8.03am
Originally posted by Matov The notion that the NHS can be 'fixed' by just throwing more money at it is perhaps the single biggest failure by the Left to comprehend what the crux of the issue is. The NHS needs a major reimagining in terms of how it functions and what the public expectation of it is. Just telling people they need to pay more tax for what is already a vastly over-bloated organisation that clearly needs a massive overhaul is never going to work. One example I always use is this notion that people can just book appointments then fail to keep them but are not penalised in anyway. There should be a strict system in place whereby people who miss one appointment in the space of a year are required to pay a small deposit before they are allowed to book another. They keep them, get it returned. Now of course that would require some tweaking and would fly in the face of the 'free at the point of use mantra' but people have to learn to value the service. If you believe that something like the NHS is a 'right', then that must also come with a sense of responsibility from the people using it as well. Good idea. Free at the point of use is a bit of a misnomer when prescriptions, dentists and opticians cost as much as they do; in England anyway. In Scotland prescriptions are free and dental/eye care is very much cheaper.
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Teddy Eagle

28 Jul 22 8.03am

Originally posted by Matov

The notion that the NHS can be 'fixed' by just throwing more money at it is perhaps the single biggest failure by the Left to comprehend what the crux of the issue is.

Good idea.
Free at the point of use is a bit of a misnomer when prescriptions, dentists and opticians cost as much as they do; in England anyway. In Scotland prescriptions are free and dental/eye care is very much cheaper.

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W12 28 Jul 22 1.44pm
Progressivism is failing badly and being rejected even by people on the left. You can see the results of this as progressive politicians double down and become more and more insane and totalitarian. The only question is what replaces it and the big threat is the WEF style corporatism/technocracy that has simply been wearing progressive clothes.
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W12 28 Jul 22 1.44pm

Progressivism is failing badly and being rejected even by people on the left. You can see the results of this as progressive politicians double down and become more and more insane and totalitarian.

The only question is what replaces it and the big threat is the WEF style corporatism/technocracy that has simply been wearing progressive clothes.

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The Dolphin 29 Jul 22 7.27am
The NHS is broken and has been for decades. Successive governments chuck money at it without a thought as to how it will be spent. Blaming the last 12 years is a pathetic political stance without any sensible thought process. I could argue that under Labour from 1997 that more beds were lost than in any other period - fact - but someone actually needs to break it up and start again because it is our biggest cost and probably worst performing public service given the cost.
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The Dolphin

29 Jul 22 7.27am

The NHS is broken and has been for decades.
Successive governments chuck money at it without a thought as to how it will be spent.
Blaming the last 12 years is a pathetic political stance without any sensible thought process.
I could argue that under Labour from 1997 that more beds were lost than in any other period - fact - but someone actually needs to break it up and start again because it is our biggest cost and probably worst performing public service given the cost.

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