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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 Jan 23 5.00pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Other countries don't spent £192 bn on a national health service: which doesn't work?

Our healthcare spending is not high relative to similar sized economies, so I don't think it's that...

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 24 Jan 23 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Ok rejoining would not be a starter but as another poster mentioned, we have had a £400 billion spend on covid, x millions on the fuel/ cost of living crisis and recently the Ukraine war. Put that half a trillion back in our coffers and just maybe itís not that bad.
The state workers could get their rise, everyone could probably get a tax break and councils might have increased budgets. Atm it is hard to count losses due to these things. You and forecasters may well be correct but to say itís failed after such unknowns following huge spending in just 5 years since brexit could make you wrong or at least off track.

We know we have performed worse than equivalent economies that have been through the same issues. Pretty clear cut surely.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

We know we have performed worse than equivalent economies that have been through the same issues. Pretty clear cut surely.

Honestly, Covid is the best thing that could have happened for Brexit - as this thread proves, it's a ready-made excuse to buy those responsible considerably more time as to why it hasn't been what they said it would.

And for people who want Brexit to succeed, it's easier to accept that excuse than to consider that they may have been sold a dud.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Jan 23 7.19pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Honestly, Covid is the best thing that could have happened for Brexit - as this thread proves, it's a ready-made excuse to buy those responsible considerably more time as to why it hasn't been what they said it would.

And for people who want Brexit to succeed, it's easier to accept that excuse than to consider that they may have been sold a dud.

How has brexit impacted you directly then ?

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 25 Jan 23 8.27am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Our healthcare spending is not high relative to similar sized economies, so I don't think it's that...

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In most of those countries there is a considerable injection of cash from the private elements of the healthcare systems. They are not directly comparable with the UK unless you include all the BUPA type monies.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Jan 23 11.22am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

How has brexit impacted you directly then ?

It's made the country considerably fecking poorer - that impacts everyone.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Jan 23 11.23am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

In most of those countries there is a considerable injection of cash from the private elements of the healthcare systems. They are not directly comparable with the UK unless you include all the BUPA type monies.

The article addresses that:

"Countries differ not just in overall health spending but in the mix of funding sources Ė government spending vs Ďotherí (ie out of pocket, voluntary insurance and charity). In the UK, 79.9% of health spending is government funded (average 2010Ė2019), compared with 76.5% across the EU14. On average UK government health spending between 2010 and 2019 was £149bn per year in current terms.

With the UKís mix of government and other health spending, matching the EU14 annual spending per person average between 2010 and 2019 would have meant £31.8bn of additional government funding each year. If the UK had the same spending mix as the EU14, additional UK government spending would have been slightly lower at £30.5bn. So the significant difference in spending between the UK and other countries applies to both total and government spending."

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It's made the country considerably fecking poorer - that impacts everyone.

Opinion, but everyone is entitled to one.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The article addresses that:

"Countries differ not just in overall health spending but in the mix of funding sources Ė government spending vs Ďotherí (ie out of pocket, voluntary insurance and charity). In the UK, 79.9% of health spending is government funded (average 2010Ė2019), compared with 76.5% across the EU14. On average UK government health spending between 2010 and 2019 was £149bn per year in current terms.

With the UKís mix of government and other health spending, matching the EU14 annual spending per person average between 2010 and 2019 would have meant £31.8bn of additional government funding each year. If the UK had the same spending mix as the EU14, additional UK government spending would have been slightly lower at £30.5bn. So the significant difference in spending between the UK and other countries applies to both total and government spending."

It goes to show that the NHS is poor value for money when you look at medical outcomes in many categories.

I would love to see an efficient NHS with good outcomes, that needs a combination of adequate finding, good management and more emphasis on health and lifestyle choices. For example, addressing the obesity pandemic.

Just throwing more money is not the long term answer. IF people have access to private medical care then encourage them to use it, don't abuse them for it.

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

Opinion, but everyone is entitled to one.

Do you remember when you asked me to provide examples of Brexit being an economic disaster, and I provided numerous with the comment that:

"It's a bit boring you're asking me to provide the examples when there are so many of them - it's also boring because you will not accept any of them because they are projections and sticking your figures in your ears is preferable."

Glad to see that's exactly how it played out.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

It goes to show that the NHS is poor value for money when you look at medical outcomes in many categories.

I would love to see an efficient NHS with good outcomes, that needs a combination of adequate finding, good management and more emphasis on health and lifestyle choices. For example, addressing the obesity pandemic.

Just throwing more money is not the long term answer. IF people have access to private medical care then encourage them to use it, don't abuse them for it.

Well it firstly shows the suggestion that the failure of our economy to recover to pre-pandemic levels is linked to spending in healthcare is incorrect.

It also shows that this latest myth that we spend ridiculous amounts on healthcare and we can't keep increasing the funding is a nonsense - we don't spend as much as comparable countries.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Do you remember when you asked me to provide examples of Brexit being an economic disaster, and I provided numerous with the comment that:

"It's a bit boring you're asking me to provide the examples when there are so many of them - it's also boring because you will not accept any of them because they are projections and sticking your figures in your ears is preferable."

Glad to see that's exactly how it played out.

In your opinion.....

 


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