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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 14 Dec 21 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

 

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Originally posted by Fatherken

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

Do you think she pre planned it then?

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Dec 21 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

It's difficult to negotiate with vastly more powerful nation. The US had an agenda she was going to swerve justice, by instigating Diplomatic Immunity after the event. Something the UK seemed complicit with, in assisting her leave the UK.

She'll probably get a 12 month driving ban (back-dated), which would then free her to continue working in the UK again, with no pending prosecutions, just points on her licence.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 21 Oct 22 10.25am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
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She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating.
Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing.

I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),..
I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event.
The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again.
In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Oct 22 10.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
[Link]

She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating.
Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing.

I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),..
I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event.
The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again.
In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

I think you have summed it up nicely. It's clear to me a deal has been done and the sentencing has been made part of that deal. The judge is there just to rubber stamp what the politicians have already agreed.

My guess no jail time or maybe a few weeks in a soft US jail "Club Fed".

It stinks.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Oct 22 10.34am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
[Link]

She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating.
Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing.

I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),..
I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event.
The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again.
In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

Not from me, good summary and I share that which has been suggested.

'She drove on the wrong side of the road for 20 seconds' - That's not dangerous driving really it's just f**king idiocy. Expect nothing less from the yanks however should not exempt you from legal proceedings. Imagine if she were Iranian for instance and fled there.

All fits in to a lot of negative US stereotypes for me which perhaps do not disprove my prejudices.

Thick, arrogant and unerringly self-obsessed.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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I am not trying to justify this but when a lorry driver rams into stationary traffic killing people and get a slap on the wrist then the Sacoolas case goes way below that one and the many others I and presumably others have read. I think she should be punished and in the UK.

 


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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 21 Oct 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

she did not report it
she fled out of the country
throw the full force of the law at her

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 21 Oct 22 5.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

she did not report it
she fled out of the country
throw the full force of the law at her

They have ,as much as they can from 8k miles away. My bet is she won’t be getting a chalet in leysdown for a week during any summertime soon.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 21 Oct 22 7.31pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Fatherken

she did not report it
she fled out of the country
throw the full force of the law at her

Which law are you referring to, other than the one under which she's been convicted?

 


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