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View ultra_combo's Profile ultra_combo Flag croydon 08 Feb 21 3.51pm Send a Private Message to ultra_combo Add ultra_combo as a friend

Done in error

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 Feb 21 3.57pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by ultra_combo

Done in error

all those stabbings ? i doubt it.

 


the 'Net-We-had' at the Etihad....again

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BlueJay Flag UK 08 Feb 21 4.28pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Why don't we just go full american in that case and have open carry laws for firearms to at least even the playing field?

They make us look like amateurs.

 

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 08 Feb 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Brought this topic up in a group chat I'm in (with people around late 20s to mid 30s, black and white, from the London area) and the general consensus is, they don't disagree with stop & search per se and it should be employed in "hot areas", but in it's current or recent guise, it's flawed (1 in 100 searches find a knife), geared towards black youth and isn't really a deterrant. "Black of black" crime figures are overstated but I'll get into that another time when I have been sent the links I've been promised, that back that up.

The issue with stop & search stems primarily from the fact that grown men can and do carry knives, not just the "youth" and those in gangs etc don't frequent hotspots for searches, like train stations etc and are more likely to carry when they're actually going to use. Another issue is that if someone caught with one, they're likely not going to be punished proportionately and will just go back home and get another knife/weapon.

The youth of today are so f***ed up now, that they think they have to carry a knife to protect themselves, things aren't settled with a good old punch up any more and are so desensitised towards seeing their friends murdered, that until they see it in the flesh, it won't affect them enough to change their ways.

They're also not scared of prison at all, our prison and justice system is weak compared to other countries, for example the US. A man in the US can get 25/life for 3 menial offences and that's their life over. Not even touching the appeal of crime to urban youths, vs a decent, honest living.

We need more police on the streets, we need military on the streets. It's not an easily solved topic, but our Mayor needs to do better.

 


La la la your mum

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 Feb 21 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I'm all for stop and search, metal detectors at train stations etc, if it brings down knife and gun related crime. I have no issue with being stopped myself, with the only negative being a small inconvenience to my day, I have nothing to hide.

I think that is exactly it, if you have nothing to hide no problem apart from the inconvenience. Providing Police are polite and explain the reasons, having said that there would be many who take exception to being stopped. Personally I feel it won’t cure but would help reduce these appalling figures

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 Feb 21 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Brought this topic up in a group chat I'm in (with people around late 20s to mid 30s, black and white, from the London area) and the general consensus is, they don't disagree with stop & search per se and it should be employed in "hot areas", but in it's current or recent guise, it's flawed (1 in 100 searches find a knife), geared towards black youth and isn't really a deterrant. "Black of black" crime figures are overstated but I'll get into that another time when I have been sent the links I've been promised, that back that up.

The issue with stop & search stems primarily from the fact that grown men can and do carry knives, not just the "youth" and those in gangs etc don't frequent hotspots for searches, like train stations etc and are more likely to carry when they're actually going to use. Another issue is that if someone caught with one, they're likely not going to be punished proportionately and will just go back home and get another knife/weapon.

The youth of today are so f***ed up now, that they think they have to carry a knife to protect themselves, things aren't settled with a good old punch up any more and are so desensitised towards seeing their friends murdered, that until they see it in the flesh, it won't affect them enough to change their ways.

They're also not scared of prison at all, our prison and justice system is weak compared to other countries, for example the US. A man in the US can get 25/life for 3 menial offences and that's their life over. Not even touching the appeal of crime to urban youths, vs a decent, honest living.

We need more police on the streets, we need military on the streets. It's not an easily solved topic, but our Mayor needs to do better.

Interesting post and look forward to the links. Totally agree about the prison/ sentencing system
With regard to Military on the streets.... the PC brigade would have a field day

Edited by Spiderman (08 Feb 2021 5.07pm)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 08 Feb 21 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

In the majority of cases, the kids who are carrying the knives are already on the social services/police radar and a high percentage of those being murdered also (there are innocent bystanders getting caught up in this).

The Glasgow model involves profiling these kids in advance as being of higher risk and then subjecting them to random stop and search on sight, along with other interventions by interested parties. The more this happens, the more the kids think twice about going out with a weapon.

That is the point of it. Stop and search needs to go through the roof. There needs to be a genuine fear amongst young people that they will get pulled over and there will be some cop going through their pockets every time they go out.

The ONLY measure of success is a decline in the numbers of murders. That is it.

 


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jeeagles Flag 08 Feb 21 6.59pm

Originally posted by Matov

In the majority of cases, the kids who are carrying the knives are already on the social services/police radar and a high percentage of those being murdered also (there are innocent bystanders getting caught up in this).

The Glasgow model involves profiling these kids in advance as being of higher risk and then subjecting them to random stop and search on sight, along with other interventions by interested parties. The more this happens, the more the kids think twice about going out with a weapon.

That is the point of it. Stop and search needs to go through the roof. There needs to be a genuine fear amongst young people that they will get pulled over and there will be some cop going through their pockets every time they go out.

The ONLY measure of success is a decline in the numbers of murders. That is it.

Khan had 2,000 people removed from a database of those at risk of being drawn into gangs on Friday.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 Feb 21 7.15pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Khan had 2,000 people removed from a database of those at risk of being drawn into gangs on Friday.

People who complain about stop and search say it is because it is a blunt instrument and that police should do targeted stop and search.

Those same people then complain about intelligence the police gather on gangs so they can do targetted stop and search.

You can't win with some people.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 08 Feb 21 8.19pm

Bumping up - im stuck on page 14

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 08 Feb 21 8.20pm

Anyone else get stuck on pages behind ? won"t move up page to today and arrow disappears to move up,

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 08 Feb 21 8.46pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Hey CP are you going for a record on duplicate posts?

Thanks, i post but it dont move, so i wait, an wait, then post it again, and two go off.

 

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