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View bifffabazz's Profile bifffabazz Flag Highworth, Wiltshire 01 Mar 21 10.57am Send a Private Message to bifffabazz Add bifffabazz as a friend

I'm in total bewilderment about our atrocious performances this season. Quite how we've got so many points will forever be a mystery. I am, nevertheless, relieved that it appears we will be in the top division 'Come the Revolution' this summer.

We can bang on forever about contracts, attitude, formation, Roy in or out, investment etc but for me, there is one fundamental problem: fitness.

Scott Guyett has reigned supreme and unchallenged for far too long. From inside the club, it's known as 'The Scott Show', suggesting he can do no wrong and is untouchable. And yet, his (conditioning) record leading to muscular injuries is appalling and our average player distances are always within the bottom three in the league. Natural athletes like Wilf, PVA and Schlupp have all lost their pace and the rest just meander along. Everyone is clearly too comfortable and not conditioned or motivated to reach their full physical potential.

I pray that when a new management team arrive, we see a change of guard in our fitness and conditioning team. Please.

 


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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 01 Mar 21 11.39am Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Agree 100% general fitness does appear to be a problem that we have had for a long time and is not only in relation to our older players.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Mar 21 11.45am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I don't know if it's Scott's fault, or if it's facilities or whatever. However, I would question our entire coaching/training and scouting system. We seem to lag behind half of the championship sides, and whilst I don't know, we seem one of the poorest in the division.
Injuries an obvious example, general fitness seems bad but also technique seems lacking. First touch, passing, dribbling, shooting all seem poor.
As for scouting, the latest version of FM seems more advanced than us.

 


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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 01 Mar 21 4.14pm Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

Why bewildered?. They are playing how they are told to by Roy et al, the training is borderline 70s style, fitness levels and the ability to sprint or play high pressing football is non existent.

As we all know the game plan is 11 behind the ball for 89 minutes and keep fingers crossed that a ball gets crossed to Tekkers for which he never makes a run for anyway. The whole set up makes Trevor Francis look like a football genius, our team is dead man walking, 11 players and manager out of contract, who coincidentally thinks 0-0 to Fulham is all we could of dreamed of.

 

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View bifffabazz's Profile bifffabazz Flag Highworth, Wiltshire 01 Mar 21 4.54pm Send a Private Message to bifffabazz Add bifffabazz as a friend

Originally posted by kev64

Why bewildered?. They are playing how they are told to by Roy et al, the training is borderline 70s style, fitness levels and the ability to sprint or play high pressing football is non existent.

As we all know the game plan is 11 behind the ball for 89 minutes and keep fingers crossed that a ball gets crossed to Tekkers for which he never makes a run for anyway. The whole set up makes Trevor Francis look like a football genius, our team is dead man walking, 11 players and manager out of contract, who coincidentally thinks 0-0 to Fulham is all we could of dreamed of.


Pretty sure I explained my bewilderment.

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Online Flag 01 Mar 21 5.08pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Agree totally, this team have not looked for a good while fit enough to compete with the modern pressing game.
I'm pretty certain that a good while ago I saw an interview with Sir Steve the gist of which was whatever can be said about his team, fitness issues were not one of them, they could go toe to toe with any team.
Watching some of over current lot saunter about like it's a school playground kickabout is a joke.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 01 Mar 21 5.47pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

An interesting perspective that I hadn't thought of.
Having an older squad doesn't help,but perhaps it's a broader issue.
If there is a change of manager in the summer there may also be a change of backroom staff.
Not sure it would address our lack of pace without the addition of new players though.

Originally posted by bifffabazz

I'm in total bewilderment about our atrocious performances this season. Quite how we've got so many points will forever be a mystery. I am, nevertheless, relieved that it appears we will be in the top division 'Come the Revolution' this summer.

We can bang on forever about contracts, attitude, formation, Roy in or out, investment etc but for me, there is one fundamental problem: fitness.

Scott Guyett has reigned supreme and unchallenged for far too long. From inside the club, it's known as 'The Scott Show', suggesting he can do no wrong and is untouchable. And yet, his (conditioning) record leading to muscular injuries is appalling and our average player distances are always within the bottom three in the league. Natural athletes like Wilf, PVA and Schlupp have all lost their pace and the rest just meander along. Everyone is clearly too comfortable and not conditioned or motivated to reach their full physical potential.

I pray that when a new management team arrive, we see a change of guard in our fitness and conditioning team. Please.

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag UK/Thailand 01 Mar 21 6.12pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

You train your fitness for what you require no more no less.

If a manager has a set style then that is what it would be for.

Players losing pace that happens again with style of play also age plus wear (humans are not suppose to do these activities its not natural it takes its toll)

Regarding injuries these happen no matter your level of fitness and a big point that has been missed is schedule professional athletes should not be competing in so many games in short periods their is lots of evidence to back this up plus as stated before humans are not designed for these activities its not healthy.

The clear example when it comes to fitness was Pep when he went to City he has a style and it took him over a year to get players upto the fitness levels required also he could see some people just cant do what you are asking so they needed replacing.

 


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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Mar 21 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

A combination of fitness and age are taking their toll on our team. But we seem to buy players that have injury issues. When is the WBA player ever going to play??

Donít get me started on Connor Wickham, itís beyond a joke now...

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 01 Mar 21 7.19pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

27 to 29 should be when you hit peak fitness.

You shouldn't start losing pace until you start losing muscle and mobility.

In modern sport 30 shouldn't be that old.

We get an alarming amount of hamstring injuries.

Our midfield isn't that mobile, but Luka, McArthur, and previously Meyer all covered a lot of ground in seasons gone by, but that seems to be diminished drastically in the last couple of seasons.

Guys the size of Benteke, Wickham, Sorloth etc are carrying around 20kg more that a smaller nimble midfielder. You shouldn't expect them to put in the same amount of ground over 90mins as the test of the team.

Everyone knows who I'm going to point the finger at. It's all very concerning.

Some managers seem to get more injuries that others, Pardew sides had lots of injuries at Palace and Newcastle.

The Dad's Army argument can apply to players aged 33 plus, but for the majority of our side, it shouldn't be an issue.

 

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View bifffabazz's Profile bifffabazz Flag Highworth, Wiltshire 01 Mar 21 9.26pm Send a Private Message to bifffabazz Add bifffabazz as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort

You train your fitness for what you require no more no less.

If a manager has a set style then that is what it would be for.

Players losing pace that happens again with style of play also age plus wear (humans are not suppose to do these activities its not natural it takes its toll)

Regarding injuries these happen no matter your level of fitness and a big point that has been missed is schedule professional athletes should not be competing in so many games in short periods their is lots of evidence to back this up plus as stated before humans are not designed for these activities its not healthy.

The clear example when it comes to fitness was Pep when he went to City he has a style and it took him over a year to get players upto the fitness levels required also he could see some people just cant do what you are asking so they needed replacing.


Absolutely tosh. Poor fitness and conditioning are entirely the cause of muscular injuries.

 


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View Xong Kudu's Profile Xong Kudu Flag 01 Mar 21 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Xong Kudu Add Xong Kudu as a friend

Iíve been thinking about McArthur recently. I know heís a tad unfashionable, aging and also another defensive midfielder but his positional awareness and link up play in the middle has always been good. Itís not a coincidence that our frailty in the middle has coincided with his absence. I also think Milo plays better with him as a wing man in the middle if that makes sense. If weíre going to push on towards 50 points this season we need him back. Iím not convinced with Riederwald in the middle although I donít doubt is commitment and overall improvement..

 

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