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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 04 Mar 21 8.33am Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

As everyone acknowledges, this summer will see a large number of our players out of contract, so it is a time for change and the key question is ‘who do we keep and who do we lose?’

Here are my thoughts (with some explanations):

Keep Lose

Guaita Hennessey
Butland Henderson

Ferguson Clyne
Ward (reliable cover)
Mitchell PVA

Tomkins Sakho
Cahill (highly experienced & a leader) Dann
Kouyate Kelly

Riedewald McArthur
Luca (useful cover) McCarthy

Zaha Wickham
Eze Batshuyai
Townsend (hardworking cover) Benteke
Schlupp
Mateta
Ayew

(16) (12)

My only hesitation regarding the above lists, is whether one of McCarthy or McArthur should be kept for one more season and likewise Benteke.

Based on the above, we will need to add the following 5-6 players as a minimum:

• A left back
• 1-2 centre-backs
• A defensive midfielder
• A creative midfielder
• A right winger to replace Townsend

I’m assuming these would all be new signings and/or loans and any further requirements could be met by promoting players from the Academy, as we are starting to see some promising talent rising through the ranks.

Finally, the biggest question of all, does Roy stay or go?

I have been fully supportive of Roy over these last four seasons and he has done a wonderful job in maintaining our PL status with limited resources and we have never been in any danger of relegation in that time, which is some achievement.

However, there is no denying that too many of our performances over these last 12 months have been well below expectations and our football has often been dire. In my view Roy is beginning to look tired and one wonders if he really wants to carry on.

Ideally I’d like the decision about his future to be his, as he deserves our respect and admiration for what he has achieved and if he decides to go, then we move on with his blessing and he may even, as some have suggested become a backroom advisor. We can then bring in a new, younger manager to help us rebuild the squad and take us forward. But this inevitably comes with a risk, as to change so many players at the same time as the manager will create some instability before things can settle down. This of course is why we hear people saying ‘be careful what you wish for.’

On the other hand, a case can be made for Roy choosing to stay on, for perhaps one more season, to oversee the rebuilding of the squad, which is a must, whilst maintaining our PL status as he reliably does. Then the new manager could come in next season to continue the rebuilding.

As you can see, I’m in two minds on the Roy question.

So what do others think about the squad and Roy?

 

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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 04 Mar 21 8.37am Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

Sorry formatting meant Keep Lose not clear. It is:

Keep
Guaita
Butland
Ferguson
Ward
Mitchell
Tomkins
Cahill
Kouyate
Riedewald
Luca
Zaha
Eze
Townsend
Schlupp
Mateta
Ayew

Lose
Hennessey
Henderson
Clyne
PVA
Sakho
Dann
Kelly
McArthur
McCarthy
Wickham
Batshuyai
Benteke

 

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View Sansbup's Profile Sansbup Flag Normandy 04 Mar 21 8.42am Send a Private Message to Sansbup Add Sansbup as a friend

I think we should keep Clyne, Kelly and definitely McArthur.

 

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View Knightstar's Profile Knightstar Flag Guildford 04 Mar 21 8.57am Send a Private Message to Knightstar Add Knightstar as a friend

Do you mean keep Clyne instead of Ward, or keep both? Keeping both would block the introduction of a younger RB. Kelly is a useful utility player but he hasn't featured at all this season so l'm not sure what the benefit of keeping him is. McArthur has been a great servant of the club but he is too slow these days and again we need young, fresh energy in midfield.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 04 Mar 21 10.09am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Knightstar

Sorry formatting meant Keep Lose not clear. It is:

Keep
Guaita
Butland
Ferguson
Ward
Mitchell
Tomkins
Cahill
Kouyate
Riedewald
Luca
Zaha
Eze
Townsend
Schlupp
Mateta
Ayew

Lose
Hennessey
Henderson
Clyne
PVA
Sakho
Dann
Kelly
McArthur
McCarthy
Wickham
Batshuyai
Benteke

Lose 12 1st team players?

Just no.

Highlighted likely players to go

 

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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 04 Mar 21 10.14am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

The vast majority will stay. I think these will go:

Hennessey
PVA
Sakho
Wickham
Batshuyai

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 04 Mar 21 10.19am Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Knightstar

Sorry formatting meant Keep Lose not clear. It is:

Keep
Guaita
Butland
Ferguson
Ward
Mitchell
Tomkins
Cahill
Kouyate
Riedewald
Luca
Zaha
Eze
Townsend
Schlupp
Mateta
Ayew

Lose
Hennessey
Henderson
Clyne
PVA
Sakho
Dann
Kelly
McArthur
McCarthy
Wickham
Batshuyai
Benteke

I thought Kelly signed a new contract last summer. That's why I'm surprised that when fit he hasn't featured at all.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Mar 21 10.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

We have to factor in the fact that those we might wish to retain might decide that they don't wish to remain at the club.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 04 Mar 21 10.36am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

I think the original post is possibly about right. It looks like a lot of players to lose at once, but given the 'lose' list includes two reserve goalies we don't need, Sakho and Wickham who are never fit to play, Kelly who never gets picked, and Batshuyi who is only on loan and is going back anyway, we are only really losing six:

Clyne
PVA
Dann
McArthur
McCarthy
Benteke

I would keep Clyne and McArthur, taking us down to four regular first team players we are losing.

I think Dann is now past it, sadly. Though he is younger than Cahill, Dann has a different body type. He is a very big, heavy guy, and it takes him ages to get up to speed after the many injuries he gets.

I really like McCarthy, but his body just isn't up to it, and we don't need him, McArthur, Luka and Jairo. They are all too similar.

Benteke is a thread all of his own of course, but if he will accept significantly reduced wages ten I might be tempted to keep him as cover / Plan B.

We need:

Cover at left back (though I think Ferguson can play across the whole back four).

At least one new young centre back as an absolute priority.

One mobile young central midfielder.

Ideally a fast, effective wide player.

Possibly a striker, though of course Mateta may develop his game outside the box, or we may develop our build up play so as to remove the burden of holding the ball up against the run of play.

All four/five need to be an improvement on the current first team players. That is far from easy. I'd guess we could get two on loan, leaving us to find two or three permanent signings.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 04 Mar 21 10.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

We have to factor in the fact that those we might wish to retain might decide that they don't wish to remain at the club.

How many will have better offers for their service? Maybe PvA (although you could very well wonder why sometimes).

I would think most would consider being at Palace next season preferable.

Edit to add Guaita to that actually, I get the feeling he misses the sun also.

Edited by Nicholas91 (04 Mar 2021 10.41am)

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Mar 21 11.02am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

How many will have better offers for their service? Maybe PvA (although you could very well wonder why sometimes).

I would think most would consider being at Palace next season preferable.

Edit to add Guaita to that actually, I get the feeling he misses the sun also.

This is a valid question.

I am working on the assumption that the terms offered might not be as favourable and perhaps the players might feel that appearances might be limited, so maybe some might deem that it is in their interests to move elsewhere where they might enjoy more regular football.

Edited by Willo (04 Mar 2021 11.04am)

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 04 Mar 21 11.22am Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

How many will have better offers for their service? Maybe PvA (although you could very well wonder why sometimes).

I would think most would consider being at Palace next season preferable.

Edit to add Guaita to that actually, I get the feeling he misses the sun also.

Edited by Nicholas91 (04 Mar 2021 10.41am)

Guita signed a new contract the other week!

 

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