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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 14 Mar 21 6.55pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

Agree - I think there is a bigger picture behind the scenes with;

- Stabilise the club financially and reduce the wage structure of the club
- Build up the academy
- Upgrade the Main Stand

All this is only possible if we are in the Premier League. This is the clubs ambition and our playing style has sacrificed as a result. Even more so during a pandemic.

Also.....we seem to be missing the progress under Roy despite the biggest negative spend in the prem in his four year spell.

- minus 11m net spend in Roys reign
- most premier league points after 29 games in our history
- most points total in a top flight season since 1992
......is this not progress????

Anyone would think the clubs going backward!

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Mar 21 7.44pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Agree - I think there is a bigger picture behind the scenes with;

- Stabilise the club financially and reduce the wage structure of the club
- Build up the academy
- Upgrade the Main Stand

All this is only possible if we are in the Premier League. This is the clubs ambition and our playing style has sacrificed as a result. Even more so during a pandemic.

Also.....we seem to be missing the progress under Roy despite the biggest negative spend in the prem in his four year spell.

- minus 11m net spend in Roys reign
- most premier league points after 29 games in our history
- most points total in a top flight season since 1992
......is this not progress????

Anyone would think the clubs going backward!


That was achieved last year (39 pts) NOT this.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 14 Mar 21 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

Agree - I think there is a bigger picture behind the scenes with;

- Stabilise the club financially and reduce the wage structure of the club
- Build up the academy
- Upgrade the Main Stand

All this is only possible if we are in the Premier League. This is the clubs ambition and our playing style has sacrificed as a result. Even more so during a pandemic.

Also.....we seem to be missing the progress under Roy despite the biggest negative spend in the prem in his four year spell.

- minus 11m net spend in Roys reign
- most premier league points after 29 games in our history
- most points total in a top flight season since 1992
......is this not progress????

Anyone would think the clubs going backward!

Good post , I know this is a negative way of looking it but everyone bar the big 6 and Everton will at some point be relegated , the point being clubs like West Ham and Newcastle are more likely to come back quickly then the likes of Palace, Brighton, Wolves , Watford, Bournemouth etc. So how do we get to that point , if we had gone down a few years back we would have pretty much had a slightly enlarged fan based and some good memoires . If we go down now we have the academy, given the amount of quality players that come from South London that is pretty important, Ive being getting text from a gooner mate this afternoon about Smith-Rowe being the Croydon-De Bruyne so if the next generation Smith-Rowe or Loftus-cheeks are playing for Palace not a bad thing.
If we go down a few years from now after the New old stand has been built and we have had a few years of 35k fans and improved income even less of a problem especially if we have half a dozen good youngsters coming through.
Ok, spending money on infrastructure is boring ,and over last few years there has probably been more focus on the long term rather then the short term which has lead to an aging squad. Im sure that many on here will see this as missing an opportunity to push on but that is to ignore the fact that in the last 20 years West Ham have been in the Championship more times than they have been in the top half, again it is depressing but in the premier league money largely counts and sensible progress is improving the worst scenario while hoping for the best rather then taking a punt of the best case scenario.
If we are dull and boring and finish 13th next season and starting work on the development that is progress and fine by me.

 


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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 15 Mar 21 9.49am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Yes it looks as if safety is only a point or two away, and may already have been achieved. Similar to last season when I seem to remember the win against Brighton gave us a points total that would eventually not be superceded by any of the bottom three.Then there were still 10 or so games to play just as there are now.

I have to say I am glad there is a three week gap until the next game.I am finding it very hard watching us at the moment. Perhaps our players will come back refreshed and, with safety close to being assured, play with a little more freedom and adventure. And, hopefully, there will be no repeat of the tail end of last season.

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Mar 21 5.41pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

I concur 7 points is not to be sniffed at.

But watching us play this year has Ben bloody hard going.

we are Palace. Bloody hard going for as long as i can remember.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 16 Mar 21 12.51pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by doombear
That was achieved last year (39 pts) NOT this.

Exactly. It's a terrible argument.

From 29 games onwards last year we picked up 4 points.

Similar noises were being made about our points tally with so many games left, but no one kept an eye on who we had to play.

In the reverse fixtures against the sides we have got left to play I think we picked up 8 points.

To get 40 points. I still use the rule you have to draw against the 10 bottom half teams away and beat them all at home. Those are your critical games, everything else is a bonus.

On that objective criteria, we are looking at getting 5 more points (Sheffield Utd 1, Southampton 1, Arsenal 3 as things stand).

Brace yourself for a frustrating run in.

My forecast is cynical, but has a sound basis to it. However, its looking like we'll get between 41 and 45 points.

In a season with no cup run or real signs that we are building anything for the future it is another disappointing season where we have regressed again.

 

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View midlandspalace's Profile midlandspalace Flag kidderminster 16 Mar 21 1.13pm Send a Private Message to midlandspalace Add midlandspalace as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles


In a season with no cup run or real signs that we are building anything for the future it is another disappointing season where we have regressed again.

And here is the nub of the disagreement. Many of us, including me, would be more than happy to achieve between 41 and 45 points in the top division every season. We may not be going forward, but we are not regressing either. There are worse places to be than in the middle of the top division for what will soon be nine successive seasons, with a cup final thrown in too. Any sustainable improvement from here would require hundreds of millions of investment to compete. It is not going to happen.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 16 Mar 21 1.58pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by midlandspalace

And here is the nub of the disagreement. Many of us, including me, would be more than happy to achieve between 41 and 45 points in the top division every season. We may not be going forward, but we are not regressing either. There are worse places to be than in the middle of the top division for what will soon be nine successive seasons, with a cup final thrown in too. Any sustainable improvement from here would require hundreds of millions of investment to compete. It is not going to happen.

The issue is, the cup final was now 5 years ago. That's when we peaked. Many sides have a rocky season after they get to a cup final like we did, getting to the cup final and staying up can be regarded as a decent achievement. Finishing 11th in Roy's first season was a good finish too.

Those years were when we hit the top of the curve. Many think we are still there and that complacency has allowed the regression to kick in unnoticed.

I'm not really asking for much more than 45 points, and with the squad we have 11th to 14th place finish of around 50 points should be reasonable to achievable. That's not even a mid table finish.

If we consistently finish around there we should get some memorable games, a cup run, and perhaps break the top ten once every few years if we are lucky, which would be fantastic.

Probably nit picking, but I cant see what's sustainable about spending hundreds of millions.

 

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View esox lucius's Profile esox lucius Flag Deal 16 Mar 21 3.44pm Send a Private Message to esox lucius Add esox lucius as a friend

I feel that unless the club has the extremely good fortune to be taken over by some wealthy billionaire (very unlikely) then we have reached our peak with with a top half finish tantalisingly just out of reach. 45ish points is our max.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 16 Mar 21 3.57pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

In terms of revenue the Premier has higher income than any other league - and we're mid-table and safe. On most metrics that's pretty good surely?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 16 Mar 21 3.59pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by esox lucius

I feel that unless the club has the extremely good fortune to be taken over by some wealthy billionaire (very unlikely) then we have reached our peak with with a top half finish tantalisingly just out of reach. 45ish points is our max.

As some have explained in detail it is irrelevant having wealthy owners. It is to do with your ability to earn income as to whether you can spend money on players.

Wealthy owners can buy you a new ground but you are looking at 5-10 years before that is done and the size of the club reaches the critical mass where you can start competing for top players in the transfer window.

We are, along with at least another 10-12 teams in the PL just treading water and nothing really will change. The big teams bias created by FFP has sown up the league in terms of a realistic chance of competing at the top level by making it impossible to do another Chelsea or Man City.

Leicester is the only exception to the rule and they have semi broken into the big time and credit to them for doing so.

If the big teams truly get their way they will not even have to qualify for the CL and their guaranteed 100m for getting there will of course cement their ability to buy the top players.

In short, unless the FFP rules are changed we are never going to become a top team.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 16 Mar 21 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by esox lucius

I feel that unless the club has the extremely good fortune to be taken over by some wealthy billionaire (very unlikely) then we have reached our peak with with a top half finish tantalisingly just out of reach. 45ish points is our max.

Not just any old wealthy billionaire though. Should at least show some interest in the game generally, if not Palace in particular. Too many just want to make a quick buck and move on with little or no regard to the problems left behind.

 

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