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View scarlet's Profile scarlet Flag NZ 15 Mar 21 10.39am Send a Private Message to scarlet Add scarlet as a friend

Great to see a Palace player leading the way. All lives matter. If he was white he couldn't do it without severe repercussion and that shows you how broken the idea is. This will probably be killed by the pcers but hey. ???

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Mar 21 11.10am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

It will probably be "Women's Lives Matter" next

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 15 Mar 21 11.11am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Kudos to Roy as well. His support for Wilf was sincere and quite articulate (for someone in football ).

 


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View eagles4lyf's Profile eagles4lyf Flag croydon 15 Mar 21 11.19am Send a Private Message to eagles4lyf Add eagles4lyf as a friend

🤦🏽‍♂️That wasn’t the reason he chose to do this, he chose to do this because racism has not changed in football and never will since doing this and I totally agree with him. And no one has ever said “all lives didn’t matter” but this was used to silence BLM.

 


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View ripleyeagle's Profile ripleyeagle Flag Ripley Surrey 15 Mar 21 11.49am Send a Private Message to ripleyeagle Add ripleyeagle as a friend

Originally posted by scarlet

Great to see a Palace player leading the way. All lives matter. If he was white he couldn't do it without severe repercussion and that shows you how broken the idea is. This will probably be killed by the pcers but hey. ???

He wasn’t the first,Ivan Toney of Brentford did the same thing in Friday nights game v Blackburn.

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 15 Mar 21 11.52am Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by ripleyeagle

He wasn’t the first,Ivan Toney of Brentford did the same thing in Friday nights game v Blackburn.

First premier league player to do it.

A few teams in the championship have stopped taking the knee since last september.

 

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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 15 Mar 21 12.06pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It will probably be "Women's Lives Matter" next

They’ll be required to stand up for that. Then they can lay down for LGBTQZFGTKL rights, stand on one leg for global warming, and then adopt some other poses for other “issues “.
Set it all to some fast paced music and the routine could become more enjoyable than the game itself.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 15 Mar 21 12.33pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Kudos to Roy as well. His support for Wilf was sincere and quite articulate (for someone in football ).

I don't know whether that was meant to be patronising but it clearly looks like it. But I'm about to go down the same path. I only got round to viewing Roy post-WBA last night and I was really struck by how fluently he speaks. He embarks on lengthy sentences and you wonder where they're leading, but he reaches the end with everything nicely tied up. What he has to say is sensible, interesting, wise and balanced. And I've never heard a manager (or player!) throw in some Latin (sine qua non).

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Mar 21 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by eagles4lyf

🤦🏽‍♂️That wasn’t the reason he chose to do this, he chose to do this because racism has not changed in football and never will since doing this and I totally agree with him. And no one has ever said “all lives didn’t matter” but this was used to silence BLM.

BLM silenced themselves by proving what they really were as an organisation.

Wilf considers taking the knee an empty gesture, which he is probably correct to do. Fighting against racism in football and BLM are two entirely different things. One I agree with, the other I don’t.

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 15 Mar 21 12.43pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

I don't know whether that was meant to be patronising but it clearly looks like it. But I'm about to go down the same path. I only got round to viewing Roy post-WBA last night and I was really struck by how fluently he speaks. He embarks on lengthy sentences and you wonder where they're leading, but he reaches the end with everything nicely tied up. What he has to say is sensible, interesting, wise and balanced. And I've never heard a manager (or player!) throw in some Latin (sine qua non).


Brilliant, lovely image.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Online Flag 15 Mar 21 1.47pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Wilf's reasons for not taking the knee are very different to the ones I would have, but I'm not surprised to hear some of those who bought into the whole 'BLM are going to make big changes to society' thing are now frustrated. How could it ever be otherwise?

One of the many problems with BLM is that they don't have any specific, reasonable and measurable targets (apart from previously advocating that the Police be defunded, which the Tories were working on anyway, though which one of those two organisations will admit such an agenda now is unclear).

BLM is full of meaningless, general speak. We want to end racism. We want a better world. We want things to be nicer. Trevor Philips (former head of the Commission for Racial Equality) wrote a piece in the Economist telling BLM that they needed to 'exchange sloganeering for substance'. There are mixed views about Philips, but it is of note that even he's telling BLM they are without point or clear purpose.

If anyone is serious about addressing the role racial (and other) prejudice may or may not play in the construction of our society, then they need to start by laying out exactly where they think it operates, demonstrating that it is significant, and harmful. That isn't the same as telling me about an awful experience you had, any more than it is about me telling you that as a white man I feel certain I have lived my life taking each person on their merits. We need to take our individual experiences and place them in a demonstrable statistical context. BLM can't, won't, don't do that. They are just a walking narative machine given far too much platform. They could never achieve a thing because they were never a serious, evidence based, outcomes focused organisation. They are amateurs, when what the modern world needs is professionals. That's how climate change gets addressed, or international food poverty, or structuring economies to limit the impact of things like Covid, or the rule of law. Yet for some reason, when it comes to removing hurdles from the path of a person relating to their race, gender, sexuality etc (which is truly vital work to do when necessary), we allow amateurs to take the stage, and they don't come any more amatuer than BLM.

I would love to ask Wilf if, aside from what seems a fairly constant (and utterly unacceptable) stream of abuse from trolls online, he feels he lives in a racist society. BLM may tell him that he does. I would point to a family from Africa coming to England, finding housing, work, free education and health services, and thriving in the security of a law abiding, structured, policed society. Weigh the former up against the latter, and see how it balances. You might find that the issue at hand for Wilf (online abuse) can be better understood and addressed if it were focused on as a specific, rather than being used to support a wider narrative.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Mar 2021 1.50pm)

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 15 Mar 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Wilf's reasons for not taking the knee are very different to the ones I would have, but I'm not surprised to hear some of those who bought into the whole 'BLM are going to make big changes to society' thing are now frustrated. How could it ever be otherwise?

One of the many problems with BLM is that they don't have any specific, reasonable and measurable targets (apart from previously advocating that the Police be defunded, which the Tories were working on anyway, though which one of those two organisations will admit such an agenda now is unclear).

BLM is full of meaningless, general speak. We want to end racism. We want a better world. We want things to be nicer. Trevor Philips (former head of the Commission for Racial Equality) wrote a piece in the Economist telling BLM that they needed to 'exchange sloganeering for substance'. There are mixed views about Philips, but it is of note that even he's telling BLM they are without point or clear purpose.

If anyone is serious about addressing the role racial (and other) prejudice may or may not play in the construction of our society, then they need to start by laying out exactly where they think it operates, demonstrating that it is significant, and harmful. That isn't the same as telling me about an awful experience you had, any more than it is about me telling you that as a white man I feel certain I have lived my life taking each person on their merits. We need to take our individual experiences and place them in a demonstrable statistical context. BLM can't, won't, don't do that. They are just a walking narative machine given far too much platform. They could never achieve a thing because they were never a serious, evidence based, outcomes focused organisation. They are amateurs, when what the modern world needs is professionals. That's how climate change gets addressed, or international food poverty, or structuring economies to limit the impact of things like Covid, or the rule of law. Yet for some reason, when it comes to removing hurdles from the path of a person relating to their race, gender, sexuality etc (which is truly vital work to do when necessary), we allow amateurs to take the stage, and they don't come any more amatuer than BLM.

I would love to ask Wilf if, aside from what seems a fairly constant (and utterly unacceptable) stream of abuse from trolls online, he feels he lives in a racist society. BLM may tell him that he does. I would point to a family from Africa coming to England, finding housing, work, free education and health services, and thriving in the security of a law abiding, structured, policed society. Weigh the former up against the latter, and see how it balances. You might find that the issue at hand for Wilf (online abuse) can be better understood and addressed if it were focused on as a specific, rather than being used to support a wider narrative.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Mar 2021 1.50pm)

Well said BTP. This nonsense surely has now gone far enough. You're right to identify Phillips as a voice of reason. Seems to me like a common sense kind of guy.

But, now we've got Haringey Council spending £186k to rename Black Boy Lane on their turf despite the residents being quite happy with it. Named after King Charles 11 and been there 300 years. Nonsense. Black is merely a colour - it's not racist.

There's a Black Swan and a Black Horse pub near me. One of them 400 years old. Good too. Hope they don't feel obliged to rename them.

My local is the White Horse. Is that alright?

Sorry, nothing to do with Wolf, who I've supported on his stand in other threads, but the same issue I feel.

 


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