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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Mar 21 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A simple answer to this would be, if you called me a c***, you may be right, may be wrong (probably right), but that's subject to your opinion. If you called me a black c***, you've attached race to it and it can be interpretted as racism.

If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs*** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism.

Yes, thatís true but still doesnít explain why the racial element automatically makes it a far more serious situation.
Three times in a year my wife was called a white bitch in east London, once in front of a policeman in a shop . He shrugged and said there was nothing he could do about it. Iím all for racial equality but it doesnít seem to be reciprocal.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A simple answer to this would be, if you called me a c***, you may be right, may be wrong (probably right), but that's subject to your opinion. If you called me a black c***, you've attached race to it and it can be interpretted as racism.

If the abuse Fred received was directed at his race and not him being a dogs*** footballer, then there is valid claim to racism.

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group.
Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Online Flag Midhurst 24 Mar 21 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

As a relatively new participant on here I just had a browse at some old posts out of curiosity. You've certainly had some fun in the past!

But there was a thread started in 2002 titled 'Is it racist to....' very similar to this, sorry about that, but interesting comments made on that thread too.

 


Dad and I would watch games on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end, probably at the same time as Roy.

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 24 Mar 21 12.59pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

Absolutely right Hrolf - spot on.
All of the crap that surrounds racism and other issue only goes to take away from the serious issues which actually do exist and that need dealing with.
People yelling "racist" for no good reason turns it into the cry wolf scenario.
A real shame but these unintelligent idiots can't stope themselves.
Real racism needs dealing with 100%!

 

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View madcap_v2's Profile madcap_v2 Flag San Antonio de Portmany, Ibiza 24 Mar 21 1.00pm Send a Private Message to madcap_v2 Add madcap_v2 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group.
Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

 


La la la your mum

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 1.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

Yeah, but the subject needs expanding....darling.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Mar 21 1.20pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I was answering in the context of the original post, dear.

But did it involve a colour. I suspect one may have maybe but that doesn't give Fred the right to associate genuine posts suggesting he performed badly as racist. Its the old all Muslims are terrorist analogy.
Or are black people above criticism in all there formats just because they are black?
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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 24 Mar 21 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole point of antagonism is to antagonise. If you know that a racial slur is effective, then any dopey teenager online is going to use it to get a response.

It's not rocket science.

By using the term racism constantly, all people have done is cheapened and diluted the meaning.

The holocaust. That was racism in the broad sense, since Jews are not a race, but they were an identifiable group.
Even slavery is not in itself racism, but the rules pertaining to who could be a slave and the subsequent segregation of Black people were most definitely racism.

Calling people names? Give me a break.

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Mar 21 2.40pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

I doubt it. Why us it OK for some to use it though - and not others?
Another example - drill music extolling stabbings, why is that fine? Imagine a white person made that music - would that be fine?
A lot of these complaints are because of 'one rule for one, another rule for another'. That's not equality, that's a power game.
Now, I would agree that there has been a lot of historic racism. But that does not excuse what's happening now. Even if racism was all pervasive, as Sky Sports News wants us to believe - are there not actually far more pressing problems for us all? Or even much more pressing problems for black people that are just getting side-lined due to the constant need to find racism, if you want to categorise by colour?
My own take is housing, health and crime should take much more priority than racism. Perhaps I'm wrong.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

This is a genuine question have you ever called anyone the N word after all that is only a word?

No. I have no desire to insult people needlessly.

That doesn't mean that other people don't take great delight in doing so, or that the victims overreact thus allowing the culprit to achieve their goal.

 

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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 24 Mar 21 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I doubt it. Why us it OK for some to use it though - and not others?
Another example - drill music extolling stabbings, why is that fine? Imagine a white person made that music - would that be fine?
A lot of these complaints are because of 'one rule for one, another rule for another'. That's not equality, that's a power game.
Now, I would agree that there has been a lot of historic racism. But that does not excuse what's happening now. Even if racism was all pervasive, as Sky Sports News wants us to believe - are there not actually far more pressing problems for us all? Or even much more pressing problems for black people that are just getting side-lined due to the constant need to find racism, if you want to categorise by colour?
My own take is housing, health and crime should take much more priority than racism. Perhaps I'm wrong.

My point was really was there are certain words that you just can't dumb down to just a word and personally I don't and wouldn't use it under any circumstances even though I'm seen as someone who is "allowed to" because of my parentage.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

My point was really was there are certain words that you just can't dumb down to just a word and personally I don't and wouldn't use it under any circumstances even though I'm seen as someone who is "allowed to" because of my parentage.

I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice.

 

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