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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 24 Mar 21 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice.

So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 3.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive?

I don't think it's that simple. As a culture we can choose to be more or less sensitive to words. Right now I believe that we are heading down the wrong path of oversensitivity and over reaction. This is about the mixing of cultures and the politics thereof.
I don't think we can evolve as a species until we get over such petty small minded stuff.
People who enjoy antagonism will always find something to use against you, but we could take a lot of their ammunition off the table if we all just stopped being offended so easily.

 

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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 24 Mar 21 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't think it's that simple. As a culture we can choose to be more or less sensitive to words. Right now I believe that we are heading down the wrong path of oversensitivity and over reaction. This is about the mixing of cultures and the politics thereof.
I don't think we can evolve as a species until we get over such petty small minded stuff.
People who enjoy antagonism will always find something to use against you, but we could take a lot of their ammunition off the table if we all just stopped being offended so easily.

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Mar 21 9.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

No because some white and black footballers are sometimes f***ing useless and are told so by their own fans. I ask whether black ones are above criticism because they're black. This appears to be Freds take on it. The notorious BIG seems to like the word ****** as now you know.

Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 9.11pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Mar 21 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response.

My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both.

All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency.

You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day.
If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Mar 21 8.20am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

This made me laugh

[Link]

 


One more point

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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 25 Mar 21 9.03am Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response.

My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both.

All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency.

You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day.
If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm)

So correct me if I'm wrong but you think my reaction to racist abuse and black footballers response to online abuse is invalid because it just elicits an oversensitive emotional response, but your feelings about how racism is reported in the media (which isn't even abuse) is not being oversensitive and your emotional response to is perfectly valid?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Mar 21 10.45am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

So correct me if I'm wrong but you think my reaction to racist abuse and black footballers response to online abuse is invalid because it just elicits an oversensitive emotional response, but your feelings about how racism is reported in the media (which isn't even abuse) is not being oversensitive and your emotional response to is perfectly valid?

Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right?

 

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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 25 Mar 21 11.16am Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right?

Nope where would I see those?

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 21 11.23am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Nope where would I see those?

I presume Twitter, but haven't looked.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 25 Mar 21 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This made me laugh

[Link]

Me too! Imagine the outcry today if that was shown. Where's Alf Garnett when you need him eh?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Mar 21 12.50pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Nope where would I see those?

I don’t even think I’d be allowed to post the screenshots here, but there’s a twitter account @CPFCWill who has posted them.

 

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