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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Mar 21 9.10am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I am a scientist by profession. Was taught about Darwin and evolution and how life was likely formed from earthly chemical interactions with lighting/electricity.
'Evidence' is emerging and being dismissed all the time of differing theories.

I am not convinced of Darwin, due to the lack of lineal evidence. Current life-forms on Earth have not exhibited conclusive evidence of evolution, due to the relatively small time-frame that humans have been investigating things.

I am dismissive of visitations from other planets, due to the massive distances involved.

I am leaning towards the theory of "comet seeding". This theory hypothesises that comets carry organic material in their icy cores, which is released onto planets when they impact.
Whilst conveniently explaining the extinction of the dinosaurs, it may go some why to explain why mammals took over from the reptiles.

Just early morning musing.

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I am a scientist by profession. Was taught about Darwin and evolution and how life was likely formed from earthly chemical interactions with lighting/electricity.
'Evidence' is emerging and being dismissed all the time of differing theories.

I am not convinced of Darwin, due to the lack of lineal evidence. Current life-forms on Earth have not exhibited conclusive evidence of evolution, due to the relatively small time-frame that humans have been investigating things.

I am dismissive of visitations from other planets, due to the massive distances involved.

I am leaning towards the theory of "comet seeding". This theory hypothesises that comets carry organic material in their icy cores, which is released onto planets when they impact.
Whilst conveniently explaining the extinction of the dinosaurs, it may go some why to explain why mammals took over from the reptiles.

Just early morning musing.

A scientist who doubts Darwin?

Evolution probably has more evidence than any other theory I can think of. We can chart the evolution of whole animal groups back millions of years in some cases.

 


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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 25 Mar 21 9.34am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

I believe in creation. The beauty and detail in the world makes it undeniable to me. However, that doesn’t necessarily discount evolution in my mind.

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 25 Mar 21 10.09am Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

The best thing about this subject is that we're living in an age where we will find out exactly how we got to where we are today. Misinformation can be traced back 6000 years. Occult is not necessarily bad. It could be good too. Occult means hidden.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A scientist who doubts Darwin?

Evolution probably has more evidence than any other theory I can think of. We can chart the evolution of whole animal groups back millions of years in some cases.

Science. You cannot prove anything, you can only disprove.
Theories only become established when continual attempts to disprove, fail.
And the more we discover, the more we explore the limitations of our knowledge.
Or some such 5hlt like that ^^

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Science. You cannot prove anything, you can only disprove.
Theories only become established when continual attempts to disprove, fail.
And the more we discover, the more we explore the limitations of our knowledge.
Or some such 5hlt like that ^^


I suppose we can only present likely probabilities which we come to regard as truths. It's almost certainly true that we all believe things now that will probably be disproven in the future.

I suppose we can only be honest to ourselves and recognise that we are humbled by nature and its complexities.

I've always liked the quote, attributed to Newton :

'I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.'

 


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The first life coming from comets or being somehow seeded from space is not contradictory to Darwin. Darwin does not say where the very first living cell came from with any certainty. That always left a chink of light for religion. He wasn't Richard Dawkins. Darwin explains where our species come from, down to simple life. None of us know for sure where the very first life comes from. I'd go out on a limb and say it is from space and found conditions here where it could thrive and evolve. You can say the opposite, I can't disprove it.

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I am a scientist by profession. Was taught about Darwin and evolution and how life was likely formed from earthly chemical interactions with lighting/electricity.
'Evidence' is emerging and being dismissed all the time of differing theories.

I am not convinced of Darwin, due to the lack of lineal evidence. Current life-forms on Earth have not exhibited conclusive evidence of evolution, due to the relatively small time-frame that humans have been investigating things.

I am dismissive of visitations from other planets, due to the massive distances involved.

I am leaning towards the theory of "comet seeding". This theory hypothesises that comets carry organic material in their icy cores, which is released onto planets when they impact.
Whilst conveniently explaining the extinction of the dinosaurs, it may go some why to explain why mammals took over from the reptiles.

Just early morning musing.

Is it not just as likely or even more likely that life evolved here independently? As for evolution? Why would you doubt it? It might be more complex than Darwin imagined, but the fossil record shows clearly that species evolve. Sometimes relatively quickly but usually very slowly and always by the natural selection of advantageous mutations.

Next you will be telling us that 'God' did it.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Is it not just as likely or even more likely that life evolved here independently? As for evolution? Why would you doubt it? It might be more complex than Darwin imagined, but the fossil record shows clearly that species evolve. Sometimes relatively quickly but usually very slowly and always by the natural selection of advantageous mutations.

Next you will be telling us that 'God' did it.

What! He didn't?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Mar 21 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

What! He didn't?

Well he did George Harrison's wife so who knows what's he's capable of.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well he did George Harrison's wife so who knows what's he's capable of.

On the scale of guitar gods, he doesn't even make base camp at mount Olympus.

 

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Last time I studied it, life evolved under the sea at hydrothermal vents where the most fortunate confluence of factors emerged.

Once the seeds were sown, the evolutionary process took over and there was no stopping it.

I know, hardly a theory that I would espouse with any confidence as most likely. I guess more and better will emerge as science seeks to find the way.

Darwin was a passionate Christian and wholly believed in life emerging from divine creation. What upset the God Botherers at the time was that evolution is not what the Bible says. Accepted dogma envisaged a fixed status with God having created everything as we see it. No moving continents (wrong), man created in his image (convenient), the earth sitting at the center of all creation (tosh) and all life made in a day on an as seen basis.

Like many with that rarity of both intelligent and religious, I suspect he struggled with that contradiction and the simplistic absurdity of creation which provided comfort and certainty to an uneducated, agrarian, pre-enlightened world.

 

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