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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Mar 21 11.05am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision.

Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men.

Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen.

If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways.

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Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Mar 21 11.23am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

There will now be more lay offs or fewer new people hired, meaning they’ll be rushed off their feet more than they can probably cope with, meaning cheaper, faster and fitter youngsters hired over anyone else. They just won’t do it immediately to disguise it. Those driving this probably aren’t far from retiring or leaving the job so who cares?

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision.

Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men.

Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen.

If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways.

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Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am)

Agreed.

But we live in times where reason gives way to expediency.

Companies live in fear of how something can be portrayed and that wins out over common sense.

Because conservatives gave up on social policies to the left this now will always be the result.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2021 11.27am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Having worked for a supermarket the staff should be paid more, that said this this is a slippery slope decision.

Comparing a warehouse worker to a shelf stacker is ridiculous anyone who has done both jobs will tell you that supermarket warehouse work is hard physical labour which is why it is mainly done by men.

Physical labour and getting dirty seems to be undervalued when ever these equal pay cases come up so school cleaners are compared to dustmen.

If the ladies of Asa want equal pay that could always transfer to the warehouse. Even in the supermarket the ladies didn't pull their weight the men did the box humping for the ladies which I had no problem with but it seems some of them want it both ways.

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Edited by Badger11 (26 Mar 2021 11.06am)

Well now the fellas can leave it to their fellow workers officially!

 

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View Seagles's Profile Seagles Flag Croydon 26 Mar 21 7.32pm Send a Private Message to Seagles Add Seagles as a friend

Hasn't this been law for about 50 years? I was once forced to sit through the film "made in dagenham" which is about pretty much the same thing.

 

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View nickyf's Profile nickyf 28 Mar 21 10.27am Send a Private Message to nickyf Add nickyf as a friend

shop workers are probably paid living wage.
To attract people to work in the warehouse
Means they have to pay above living wage as everyone would go and work in the shop.
It's not against the law to pay above nmw wage or the living wage only below it, so I don't see the problem?

Is the living wage and nmw wage being attacked to slowly erode it and scrap it?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Mar 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Personally I would have a minimum wage of £10 per hour for everyone.

The problem I have with this case is it is not like for like when comparing roles and hence equal pay.

In the warehouse you spend all day loading and unloading lorries with pallets it is hard physical labour and maybe outdoors or in an unheated environment in all weathers.

In a supermarket you work in doors and the pallets have been broken down. You may pick up a cardboard box containing 12 tins of soup to put on a shelf. The warehouse worker will lift a container probably holding 4 times the number of that if not more.

In the work place we value and reward intelligence and skill but I also think that physical strength should be valued as well.

Where I worked in M&S not a single woman worked in the warehouse and none of them wanted to and it's not just the women. I did occasional stints there and knew I could not cut it physically due to my age and bad back.
Unloading an HGV in the snow was I day I wont forget.

Somebody mentioned Dagenham and I think in that case the women were correct they were seamstresses which is a skilled job and they deserved better pay.

Neither shelf stack or warehouse worker are skilled but again it is about availability of Labour. Plenty of people want to do shop work but a young fit unskilled man can get better pay than warehouse work so that has to be taken into account as well.

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 29 Mar 21 1.07am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Equal work is not a requirement for equal pay.

Look at the world of professional tennis

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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Warehouse work can be dangerous too as anyone who’s been there when a forklift driver pushes a pallet off the top rack will tell you.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 30 Mar 21 10.34am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

which magic money tree would produce these wages?

I am in favour of higher wages, getting a grip on the black economy would be a good start and ensuring employees in every job are legally entitled to have the job.

Originally posted by Badger11

Personally I would have a minimum wage of £10 per hour for everyone.

The problem I have with this case is it is not like for like when comparing roles and hence equal pay.

In the warehouse you spend all day loading and unloading lorries with pallets it is hard physical labour and maybe outdoors or in an unheated environment in all weathers.

In a supermarket you work in doors and the pallets have been broken down. You may pick up a cardboard box containing 12 tins of soup to put on a shelf. The warehouse worker will lift a container probably holding 4 times the number of that if not more.

In the work place we value and reward intelligence and skill but I also think that physical strength should be valued as well.

Where I worked in M&S not a single woman worked in the warehouse and none of them wanted to and it's not just the women. I did occasional stints there and knew I could not cut it physically due to my age and bad back.
Unloading an HGV in the snow was I day I wont forget.

Somebody mentioned Dagenham and I think in that case the women were correct they were seamstresses which is a skilled job and they deserved better pay.

Neither shelf stack or warehouse worker are skilled but again it is about availability of Labour. Plenty of people want to do shop work but a young fit unskilled man can get better pay than warehouse work so that has to be taken into account as well.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 30 Mar 21 11.45am Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

What this case actually relates to is equal pay for work of equal value; if it goes to an employment tribunal to judge, they will likely use some form of job evaluation to come to a judgement re the value of the different roles and whether they can be perceived as of "equal value" taking account of the very different work involved. The issue, of course, will affect not just Asda but all supermarkets - hence the judgement one way or other will be highly significant.

All that has happened thus far is that it has been agreed the case can go to court - no judgement has been made and I suspect this will run on for years given the appeals process etc. Very high stakes for both employers and unions.

 

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Equal work is not a requirement for equal pay.

Look at the world of professional tennis

Tennis players are not employees (but the discrepancies very real.)

 

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