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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Apr 21 1.34pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


why does the demographic of our referees look so much like the workers on the Bridge of the Death Star ? middle aged white blokes.


surely if football is trying to be an exemplar for tolerance & diversity ?

where the black referees ? where the LGBT referees ?

You may be able to point out one or two exceptions. But the demographics of players seems to not be reflected in match officials ?

Surely some new fellas could do better than Mark Clattenburg et al ?

 


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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 01 Apr 21 1.56pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

They're all too busy being victims to do a referee's course.

I can't see any reason other than their own reluctance, as they would be more than likely fast tracked through in order for the FA to be seen to be doing the right thing.

Of course another reason there might not be many is that the ones who have tried are all cack at it ?

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Apr 21 2.03pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


This fella has reached the pinnacle of refereeing and his background is not anglo, blue-eyed CofE.

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But why so little diversity of referees in the Prem ?

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Apr 21 2.10pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


This fella has reached the pinnacle of refereeing and his background is not anglo, blue-eyed CofE.

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But why so little diversity of referees in the Prem ?

Have you tried being a ref? I have & to a very high standard. You cant just 'shoehorn' someone into a job, just to 'box-tick'. In this country, you need to start at 14/16yrs old to have any chance of making it up through the ladder of promotion to eventually the 'Elite' group of 30.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 01 Apr 21 2.12pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Have you tried being a ref? I have & to a very high standard. You cant just 'shoehorn' someone into a job, just to 'box-tick'. In this country, you need to start at 14/16yrs old to have any chance of making it up through the ladder of promotion to eventually the 'Elite' group of 30.

Black players have broken through to the elite. Not an easy feat.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Black players have broken through to the elite. Not an easy feat.

Players have, yes. Its not easy for anyone, regardless of colour, to get to the 'Elite' Full Time Salaried Referee's. Does anyone of colour actually WANT to be a ref? Why are there not ex-players as top flight refs? Did you know what you wanted to do when you was 14/15 or 16? See where im coming from?

 


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This question is the same as the situation at the Oscars. Why weren't there more black actors represented?

Maybe it's because they weren't good enough or they just made lousy films.

Same with refereeing as others have said. If someone wants to ref (or do anything else for that matter) there's nothing whatsoever to stop them if they're prepared to work at it and they're good enough.

Their race, colour or sexual orientation doesn't come into it and it's blatantly wrong to even suggest it does.

 


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BME& LGBT..... Pah!

Eleven years at the top,described as the top female by the FA, an MBE and they still won't let a woman referee a Prem match.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 01 Apr 21 4.54pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

They're all too busy being victims to do a referee's course.

I can't see any reason other than their own reluctance, as they would be more than likely fast tracked through in order for the FA to be seen to be doing the right thing.

Of course another reason there might not be many is that the ones who have tried are all cack at it ?

There are plenty of black players, so it of course makes zero sense that the reason behind there not being refs is because blacks act like 'victims' or are no good at refereeing. Pointless, sweeping 'blacks are victims or backward' contribution.

The most likely answer is lack of representation, and so they are more geared towards playing rather than refereeing... and somehow, amazingly, don't appear to be 'cack at it'. There should be female premier league refs too, if only to annoy people like you.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 01 Apr 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Players have, yes. Its not easy for anyone, regardless of colour, to get to the 'Elite' Full Time Salaried Referee's. Does anyone of colour actually WANT to be a ref? Why are there not ex-players as top flight refs? Did you know what you wanted to do when you was 14/15 or 16? See where im coming from?

I can't imagine for a moment that it's more difficult to become an 'elite' ref than it is to put in the effort to become some of the best football players in the entire country.

I'd say that it's more that there are so few black referees that its not seen as something to aspire to.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

I can't imagine for a moment that it's more difficult to become an 'elite' ref than it is to put in the effort to become some of the best football players in the entire country.

I'd say that it's more that there are so few black referees that its not seen as something to aspire to.

How wrong your assumption is.

 


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