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YT Oxford 20 Apr 21 12.57pm
I think the ESL is a good idea. It's given everyone a common enemy. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 20 Apr 21 12.57pm

I think the ESL is a good idea. It's given everyone a common enemy.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Pete53 Hassocks 20 Apr 21 1.30pm
The crows have come home to roost. What we are seeing are the big European clubs trying desperately to finance the ludicrously high salaries and transfer fees that exist in the game in the face declining interest and attendances and reduced TV revenue. La Liga in Spain only has 8 clubs with an average gate of 20,000 plus and 10 clubs with an average of 12,000 or less. In Serie A Inter have the biggest average, a paltry 30,000. Juventus have the same average as Palace. Eleven clubs have an average of 15,000 or less. Quite possibly in the early days a European Super League might generate some new interest and extra revenue but it probably wouldn't last once the novelty wears off, with the same old clubs playing each other every year and with no threat of relegation to add spice. I don't think the clubs involved have an avowed intention to ruin football, but have backed themselves into a corner where they have nowhere else to go to try to balance their books. Until some sanity can be restored and some restraint placed on the obscene money being paid on salaries and transfers, then the big clubs will continue to do everything they can, irrespective of any harm it may do to the game in the wider context, to look at new ways to generate income and save their own skins.
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Hassocks 20 Apr 21 1.30pm

The crows have come home to roost. What we are seeing are the big European clubs trying desperately to finance the ludicrously high salaries and transfer fees that exist in the game in the face declining interest and attendances and reduced TV revenue.

La Liga in Spain only has 8 clubs with an average gate of 20,000 plus and 10 clubs with an average of 12,000 or less.

In Serie A Inter have the biggest average, a paltry 30,000. Juventus have the same average as Palace. Eleven clubs have an average of 15,000 or less.

Quite possibly in the early days a European Super League might generate some new interest and extra revenue but it probably wouldn't last once the novelty wears off, with the same old clubs playing each other every year and with no threat of relegation to add spice.

I don't think the clubs involved have an avowed intention to ruin football, but have backed themselves into a corner where they have nowhere else to go to try to balance their books. Until some sanity can be restored and some restraint placed on the obscene money being paid on salaries and transfers, then the big clubs will continue to do everything they can, irrespective of any harm it may do to the game in the wider context, to look at new ways to generate income and save their own skins.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 20 Apr 21 1.46pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet This post on The Guardian, better sums up how I see it: Ruben den Broeder emails in to suggest what football can learn from F1: �In Formula 1, concerns emerged over both the hegemony of Mercedes for seven straight years and the huge amounts of money spent by the big teams. Instead of the big teams crying for ever more money to continue the hegemony, they illustrated they actually cared about the sport itself and about the smaller teams: a budget cap will be imposed starting next season. This will level the playing field and prevent major financial difficulties down the road for the teams. Yes, I think if Fifa, Uefa and everyone else stop this we�ll see some kind of more general reform, and I agree they�re partially to blame for all this � though for now, it doesn�t matter because they�re on the side of right. The difference with F1, though � I think � is that F1 is a minority sport that costs dizzying sums of money to maintain, so the co-dependence is more obvious. It was interesting to read this Guardian article, glad you put it out here. I have seen similarities in this ESL proposal, not with modern day F1, but with the rebellion which took place in what was then known simply as Grand Prix racing in the 70s and 80s. Without going into all the detail a certain Mr Bernard Ecclestone led the setting up of the Formula One Constructors Association in 1981 I think it was. The idea was to change the way prize money was distributed among other things. There were a lot of protestations from the traditionalists who thought the sport would be ruined. The rest is history and F1 became a 'sport' requiring billions to run and it made Ecclestone a very wealthy man. Certainly not everybody's cup of tea and one of the reasons historic car racing is so popular. Goes back to it's roots. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

This post on The Guardian, better sums up how I see it:

Ruben den Broeder emails in to suggest what football can learn from F1: �In Formula 1, concerns emerged over both the hegemony of Mercedes for seven straight years and the huge amounts of money spent by the big teams. Instead of the big teams crying for ever more money to continue the hegemony, they illustrated they actually cared about the sport itself and about the smaller teams: a budget cap will be imposed starting next season. This will level the playing field and prevent major financial difficulties down the road for the teams.

Yes, I think if Fifa, Uefa and everyone else stop this we�ll see some kind of more general reform, and I agree they�re partially to blame for all this � though for now, it doesn�t matter because they�re on the side of right. The difference with F1, though � I think � is that F1 is a minority sport that costs dizzying sums of money to maintain, so the co-dependence is more obvious.

It was interesting to read this Guardian article, glad you put it out here. I have seen similarities in this ESL proposal, not with modern day F1, but with the rebellion which took place in what was then known simply as Grand Prix racing in the 70s and 80s.

Without going into all the detail a certain Mr Bernard Ecclestone led the setting up of the Formula One Constructors Association in 1981 I think it was. The idea was to change the way prize money was distributed among other things. There were a lot of protestations from the traditionalists who thought the sport would be ruined. The rest is history and F1 became a 'sport' requiring billions to run and it made Ecclestone a very wealthy man.

Certainly not everybody's cup of tea and one of the reasons historic car racing is so popular. Goes back to it's roots.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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kenners46 sydenham village 20 Apr 21 2.21pm
Not sure if mentioned before, but all licencing will be revoked by local councils also clubs only pay for police should they enter the ground, this will also be stopped and clubs will have to pay for there own policing outside the ground. �250 million may sound a lot but it wont last and the bank will want its money back at some stage...
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sydenham village 20 Apr 21 2.21pm

Not sure if mentioned before, but all licencing will be revoked by local councils also clubs only pay for police should they enter the ground, this will also be stopped and clubs will have to pay for there own policing outside the ground. �250 million may sound a lot but it wont last and the bank will want its money back at some stage...

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CrazyBadger Ware 20 Apr 21 2.28pm
Anyone know how Fans of other countries are Reacting? The PL is a famously competitive league. non of the Other leagues stand up to it in Terms of overall standard. Spain have a 3 horse race + runners, Germany there's only really 2 main protagonists, similar stories in Italy. Do their fans want an ESL - may actually add competitiveness to their football? On Gate receipts, For many of these clubs they are so negligible, I'm sure they do not care if 'real' fans turn up or they only half fill stadiums every week. I mean only Barca vs RM gets anything like full stadiums for either team, with a small amount of neutral tourists filling the empties. In the ESL, Away ends will be filled with those fans who live locally to the home team, regardless of who they support(hopefully still be fans of the travelling side) so you may find gate Receipts aren't even affected. It's all about The TV money - broadcasting rights and sponsorship deals. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Anyone know how Fans of other countries are Reacting?
The PL is a famously competitive league. non of the Other leagues stand up to it in Terms of overall standard. Spain have a 3 horse race + runners, Germany there's only really 2 main protagonists, similar stories in Italy. Do their fans want an ESL - may actually add competitiveness to their football?

On Gate receipts, For many of these clubs they are so negligible, I'm sure they do not care if 'real' fans turn up or they only half fill stadiums every week.
I mean only Barca vs RM gets anything like full stadiums for either team, with a small amount of neutral tourists filling the empties.
In the ESL, Away ends will be filled with those fans who live locally to the home team, regardless of who they support(hopefully still be fans of the travelling side) so you may find gate Receipts aren't even affected.

It's all about The TV money - broadcasting rights and sponsorship deals.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 20 Apr 21 2.33pm
PSG not joining,owner just announced, German clubs can"t join as fan owned, best thing anyone can do if it happens is cancel subscriptions. We also might win a cup now and again and would be champions if it was 1991.
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Any european country i fancy! 20 Apr 21 2.33pm

PSG not joining,owner just announced, German clubs can"t join as fan owned, best thing anyone can do if it happens is cancel subscriptions. We also might win a cup now and again and would be champions if it was 1991.

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taylors lovechild 20 Apr 21 3.02pm
UEFA are pretty awful too, it should be noted. The CL already gives more money to the bigger clubs and it has become a boring and bloated affair with little interest until you reach the quarter finals. The fact they want to expand it next year makes no sense at all when there is little appetite for that. A Super League would probably be focused around marketing with games eventually broken into quarters to cater to advertisers and to squeeze in more revenue. We would see plastic efforts at pre-match entertainment and everything would become a tourist event with local fans paying ever more exorbitant prices to watch a team of bloated cash cows. With a breakaway from UEFA and FIFA they could change the rules as they wished such as bigger goals, no offsides, or a voting system where TV viewers could vote off their least favourite players. Football is not what it used to be, but there is still further to fall if it really sells its soul to corporate interests. For all his flaws, we need people like Parish in football to maintain the interests of real fans.
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UEFA are pretty awful too, it should be noted. The CL already gives more money to the bigger clubs and it has become a boring and bloated affair with little interest until you reach the quarter finals. The fact they want to expand it next year makes no sense at all when there is little appetite for that.

A Super League would probably be focused around marketing with games eventually broken into quarters to cater to advertisers and to squeeze in more revenue. We would see plastic efforts at pre-match entertainment and everything would become a tourist event with local fans paying ever more exorbitant prices to watch a team of bloated cash cows. With a breakaway from UEFA and FIFA they could change the rules as they wished such as bigger goals, no offsides, or a voting system where TV viewers could vote off their least favourite players.

Football is not what it used to be, but there is still further to fall if it really sells its soul to corporate interests. For all his flaws, we need people like Parish in football to maintain the interests of real fans.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Apr 21 3.54pm
The teams will be franchises and the league split into conferences. I think American owners want it to just be the NFL model. Think about them, one day you could support Oakland Raiders, the next they up sticks and become someone else. There have been several examples. Man U could move to China, Liverpool to Ireland. The clubs would be franchises existing in nothing except name. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Apr 21 3.54pm

The teams will be franchises and the league split into conferences. I think American owners want it to just be the NFL model. Think about them, one day you could support Oakland Raiders, the next they up sticks and become someone else. There have been several examples. Man U could move to China, Liverpool to Ireland. The clubs would be franchises existing in nothing except name.

Red and Blue Army!

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Spiderman Horsham 20 Apr 21 4.00pm
Originally posted by Badger11 The more I think about it the more I am convinced that if the cynical six are booted out they will invite other clubs to form a shadow Premier League. Maybe but they have severely hacked off every other club ( and possibly Sky who have been bypassed). I am not sure any other English Club would join them given the strength of feeling. My concern is they we�ve welcomed back with open arms by the PL until the next time Edited by Spiderman (20 Apr 2021 4.00pm)
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Horsham 20 Apr 21 4.00pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that if the cynical six are booted out they will invite other clubs to form a shadow Premier League.

Maybe but they have severely hacked off every other club ( and possibly Sky who have been bypassed). I am not sure any other English Club would join them given the strength of feeling.
My concern is they we�ve welcomed back with open arms by the PL until the next time

Edited by Spiderman (20 Apr 2021 4.00pm)

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silvertop Portishead 20 Apr 21 5.00pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC The teams will be franchises and the league split into conferences. I think American owners want it to just be the NFL model. Think about them, one day you could support Oakland Raiders, the next they up sticks and become someone else. There have been several examples. Man U could move to China, Liverpool to Ireland. The clubs would be franchises existing in nothing except name. TBF they are already international corporations who just happen to be located in England.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

TBF they are already international corporations who just happen to be located in England.

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michaelpearce grays 20 Apr 21 5.23pm
well there's a surprise Spanish courts backing Madrid and Barcelona, being they are run by Spanish banks. they haven't got foreign backers
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grays 20 Apr 21 5.23pm

well there's a surprise Spanish courts backing Madrid and Barcelona, being they are run by Spanish banks. they haven't got foreign backers

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Teddy Eagle 20 Apr 21 5.40pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC The teams will be franchises and the league split into conferences. I think American owners want it to just be the NFL model. Think about them, one day you could support Oakland Raiders, the next they up sticks and become someone else. There have been several examples. Man U could move to China, Liverpool to Ireland. The clubs would be franchises existing in nothing except name. When you put it like that it gets more attractive. All those Spurs fans grizzling outside their spangly stadium.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

When you put it like that it gets more attractive. All those Spurs fans grizzling outside their spangly stadium.

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