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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Apr 21 10.59am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

The Premier League is a corporation, so if changes are proposed why don't they just have a vote?

They will in the next few days it will be 14 against six so they will be voted out.

Remember the failed reforms that the big six wanted last year included reducing the voting rules for the PL now we know why.

I presume they will be expelled and then the lawyers get involved and who knows where that goes but at a guess:

1. The PL has the right to decide who they're members are so I can't see the big six Being allowed to stay. Win for football.

2. FIFA banning the players from internationals will be problematic as they are punishing employees for an employers decision. I think the players will win that one. Win for the players.

3. Players at the big six e.g. Milner demanding a free transfer or release from contract. Again I think they have a good case as I expect the words Premier League, FIFA, UEFA will be all over their contracts and no mention of the ESL. Win for the players who want out of the big six.

4. Negotiated settlement. At some point I suspect the ESL and UEFA will reach a deal. However as they want more money and guaranteed spots in the competitions a settlement will favour the rebels. Loss for football world.

5. Capitulation.
My hope is that UEFA and the PL grow a pair expel the big six and refuse to negotiate. The sponsors and TV companies seeing the anger of the public refuse to have anything to do with the ESL. Even the plastic fans are not that interested. Many players force moves and the rebels find themselves in a nowhere land of having only one competition that the public don't care about and it's not making money.

They come crawling back under the current rules.


6. In for a Penny.
The big six realising the above (5) decide to set up a rival to the Premier league and invite other "so called" big clubs to join them. This rival PL will also have promotion access to the ESL. Clubs like Leeds, Sunderland, Newcastle, Celtic and Rangers will be approached. In short a rival domestic and European set up. Win for the greedy b******s.


Edited by Badger11 (20 Apr 2021 11.01am)

Edited by Badger11 (20 Apr 2021 11.05am)

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Apr 21 11.04am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The best players in the world are not going to play for teams which restricts their access to the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, the Champions League or the World Cup. If they want to go we shouldn’t even be standing in their way - merely standing firm and enforcing the bans.

I am catching up with this thread and saw this so forgive me if already answered by another.

I am not so sure you are correct. A guaranteed E250M a year for each participating club mean they can pay any wage they like. The remaining EPL clubs will suffer diminishing returns (and I can't see how TV revenue won't fall without the international cache of the popular clubs) and can't compete. It will attract the best players on the planet and we will just be another feeder club.

Most owners and all players alike are loyal only to money and players have long considered international duty as little more than a booster to their personal sportswear sponsorship revenue. So even if the best players are hoofed out of their national teams, all that will do is devalue the summer tournaments we so look forward to.

I would love the government to intervene to ensure no player is restricted from walking out of his rebel club if he chooses to, imposing substantial windfall tax on the 6 clubs and any broadcaster who seeks to stream their games etc. However, all this will do will be to force the teams to relocate to friendly countries and play there. Whether it remains commercially viable if the ESL is not being legally broadcast in the very continent it seeks to be the elite representative of is, I suspect, the only thing that will stop it. Couple this with full ejection from the domestic leagues and cup games and the main news media refusing to report on any ESL games, and it will disappear from our collective consciousness. Give it a generation, as another has said, and new elites will emerge as all the teams go up a peg.

Regrettably, that will not happen. Neither the UK, EFTA, or the EU will do this. And the tp leagues will be motivated by short term self interest and allow the rebel clubs to field teams in the domestic cups etc. ESL will go ahead if they wish it to, the threats will all fizzle out in in-fighting and acrimony, people will pay vast sums in pay-per-view world over, and the game as we know it will only exist in a very diluted form.

Essentially, Palace will be relegated to a lesser tier without actually going down.

 

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View nobody's Profile nobody Flag sussex 20 Apr 21 11.07am Send a Private Message to nobody Add nobody as a friend

No official views/opinions from Sky or BT Sports yet

It will be interesting to see how they want to play it

If the stick with EPL/EFL and official UEFA/FIFA comps that would be great and as said earlier give it three or four years and we might have fairer comps for all

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Apr 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I am catching up with this thread and saw this so forgive me if already answered by another.

I am not so sure you are correct. A guaranteed E250M a year for each participating club mean they can pay any wage they like. The remaining EPL clubs will suffer diminishing returns (and I can't see how TV revenue won't fall without the international cache of the popular clubs) and can't compete. It will attract the best players on the planet and we will just be another feeder club.

Most owners and all players alike are loyal only to money and players have long considered international duty as little more than a booster to their personal sportswear sponsorship revenue. So even if the best players are hoofed out of their national teams, all that will do is devalue the summer tournaments we so look forward to.

I would love the government to intervene to ensure no player is restricted from walking out of his rebel club if he chooses to, imposing substantial windfall tax on the 6 clubs and any broadcaster who seeks to stream their games etc. However, all this will do will be to force the teams to relocate to friendly countries and play there. Whether it remains commercially viable if the ESL is not being legally broadcast in the very continent it seeks to be the elite representative of is, I suspect, the only thing that will stop it. Couple this with full ejection from the domestic leagues and cup games and the main news media refusing to report on any ESL games, and it will disappear from our collective consciousness. Give it a generation, as another has said, and new elites will emerge as all the teams go up a peg.

Regrettably, that will not happen. Neither the UK, EFTA, or the EU will do this. And the tp leagues will be motivated by short term self interest and allow the rebel clubs to field teams in the domestic cups etc. ESL will go ahead if they wish it to, the threats will all fizzle out in in-fighting and acrimony, people will pay vast sums in pay-per-view world over, and the game as we know it will only exist in a very diluted form.

Essentially, Palace will be relegated to a lesser tier without actually going down.

Excellent post.

I have just posted that the end game will be a rival Premier League with invited UK clubs and no relegation it's the only way that the ESL makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Apr 21 11.30am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

There have been threats and a great deal of sabre-rattling from Governments and authorities but the "Dastardly 6" probably believe that the storm currently raging will ebate and they will get their way in the end.

They will try and convince the World that football as a whole will benefit and maybe their arguments will 'Strike a chord' in some quarters.

Edited by Willo (20 Apr 2021 11.33am)

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 20 Apr 21 11.33am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

They will in the next few days it will be 14 against six so they will be voted out.

Remember the failed reforms that the big six wanted last year included reducing the voting rules for the PL now we know why.

I presume they will be expelled and then the lawyers get involved and who knows where that goes but at a guess:

1. The PL has the right to decide who they're members are so I can't see the big six Being allowed to stay. Win for football.

2. FIFA banning the players from internationals will be problematic as they are punishing employees for an employers decision. I think the players will win that one. Win for the players.

3. Players at the big six e.g. Milner demanding a free transfer or release from contract. Again I think they have a good case as I expect the words Premier League, FIFA, UEFA will be all over their contracts and no mention of the ESL. Win for the players who want out of the big six.

4. Negotiated settlement. At some point I suspect the ESL and UEFA will reach a deal. However as they want more money and guaranteed spots in the competitions a settlement will favour the rebels. Loss for football world.

5. Capitulation.
My hope is that UEFA and the PL grow a pair expel the big six and refuse to negotiate. The sponsors and TV companies seeing the anger of the public refuse to have anything to do with the ESL. Even the plastic fans are not that interested. Many players force moves and the rebels find themselves in a nowhere land of having only one competition that the public don't care about and it's not making money.

They come crawling back under the current rules.


6. In for a Penny.
The big six realising the above (5) decide to set up a rival to the Premier league and invite other "so called" big clubs to join them. This rival PL will also have promotion access to the ESL. Clubs like Leeds, Sunderland, Newcastle, Celtic and Rangers will be approached. In short a rival domestic and European set up. Win for the greedy b******s.


Edited by Badger11 (20 Apr 2021 11.01am)

Edited by Badger11 (20 Apr 2021 11.05am)

But if the proposal fails, why should the PL do anything? The six can walk away if they wish, but if the vote is properly constituted, I'd have thought a status quo would be quite legal and proper?

 

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michaelpearce Flag grays 20 Apr 21 11.36am

well if fans stop supporting these clubs Palace will benefit as we are the nearest to the Manu fan base,
just a thought

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 20 Apr 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

What's the fastest way to becoming a Millionaire? Be a Billionaire that invests in football. In short, the owners concerned are only interested in making more 'bang' for their 'buck'.

Greed has long existed in top flight football (e.g. transfer fees & ticket prices) however this latest episode seems to be the straw that has finally broken the camel's back.

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 20 Apr 21 11.51am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

I started having a look at Man City's accounts ealier, but couldn't find the detail I wanted.

Am I right in assuming that the major outgoings for clubs are transfers and player wages, which have been obscene and out of control for a decade at least?

So I see the ESL as them finding a way to maintain their current spending power, which has basically been proven as unsustainable.

How did we get to a point where players are getting towards expecting half-a-million quid a week? I'm kind of torn between whose fault this is - the players for demanding it, the agents for negotiating it, the clubs for paying it? Either way the motivation is pure greed.

I really believe that this is the reason for this sorry mess. Do you agree? Could this be a turning point in transfer wages and fees regressing? Is that wishful thinking?


This post on The Guardian, better sums up how I see it:

Ruben den Broeder emails in to suggest what football can learn from F1: “In Formula 1, concerns emerged over both the hegemony of Mercedes for seven straight years and the huge amounts of money spent by the big teams. Instead of the big teams crying for ever more money to continue the hegemony, they illustrated they actually cared about the sport itself and about the smaller teams: a budget cap will be imposed starting next season. This will level the playing field and prevent major financial difficulties down the road for the teams.

This is the road that should have been taken years ago in soccer by imposing caps on transfer sums, player salaries, and agent fees. Instead, Fifa and Uefa have steered the sport to this point by not imposing these regulations and ensuring the big teams got ever bigger (by guaranteeing their nearly untouchable coefficient ranking and thus guaranteed CL tickets and money). Where did this money go? Of course it went to ever larger transfer sums and player salaries, until clubs got to this desperate point by their own overspending.

Therefore, this situation to me not only illustrates the greed of the Super League teams, but also how the Fifa and Uefa are actually at the core of the issue. This is a problem of their own making which we should make them know and we should demand the previously mentioned reforms.”

Yes, I think if Fifa, Uefa and everyone else stop this we’ll see some kind of more general reform, and I agree they’re partially to blame for all this – though for now, it doesn’t matter because they’re on the side of right. The difference with F1, though – I think – is that F1 is a minority sport that costs dizzying sums of money to maintain, so the co-dependence is more obvious. The richest football clubs, on the other hand, think that the money they’re earning is less than the money they deserve and, more importantly, less than the money they can get.

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Originally posted by manwitheagletattoo

I have questions

1.. Where are these so called Super clubs going to buy players to keep them in this super league..I cannot think for one minute that these 12 clubs are going to have a transfer market between themselves and weaken their so called prospects of winning the JP Morgan Cup or are they going to rely on youth policy. ?
Or does it boil down to the fact that they think they can look down on clubs like Palace and say we are interested in signing “X” player and you are going to jump because we are a Super Club. Or does the terminology “ Feeder Clubs start to appear.

2/ Are not all Referees registered to UEFA and their respective Football Associations. Seeing as UEFA are against this Super League how are these Super matches going to be refereed or are they going to set up a Super league referee association.

3/ What is going to happen if these clubs players don’t want to play in this Super League how are these clubs going to enforce contracts they just cannot force a player to play nor can let they let a player walk away.,

Manchester China FC have already roped in their 2 referee's Howard Webb & Mark Clattenberg. Others are applying as we speak.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Apr 21 12.36pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that if the cynical six are booted out they will invite other clubs to form a shadow Premier League.

 


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With all the secret meetings and planning that went into this you’d think the clubs concerned could agree not to pay players such ridiculous wages. It’s almost, perish the thought, as though they don’t trust each other to keep to such an arrangement.

 

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