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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 09 May 21 9.08am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Hilarious listening to Labour people trying to polish turds on Sunday TV shows

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 09 May 21 10.02am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Thought this was late response to my review of bridgerton.

On topic what would you do if them? Indeed what did the tories do when they were losing deposits left right and centre during their dark years. And all cabinet ministers on rotation (except tellingly BJ) to tough it out on the various sleaze allegations.

Politics eh?

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 09 May 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Thought this was late response to my review of bridgerton.

On topic what would you do if them? Indeed what did the tories do when they were losing deposits left right and centre during their dark years. And all cabinet ministers on rotation (except tellingly BJ) to tough it out on the various sleaze allegations.

Politics eh?

I think Labour in its current form has no real validity anymore. The Hartlepool/Hampstead dichotomy that it has struggled with for years has finally broken it.

What you need are for it to split into two seperate entities. The first could be best described as 'Northern Labour'. Probably funded by the TU's, more recognisable as an old kind of Labourism. Emphasis on localism over wider global concerns. Probably more socially conservative on issues such as law and order along with being far more comfortable with waving the flag. More about trains than trans.

And in the South, 'Progressive Labour'. Might even be able to do a hook up with the Greens, standing joint candidates and so on. Focusing more on internationalism, promoting perhaps a rejoining the EU and so on.

With the two parties agreeing not to stand candidates against each other and so on.

Now how this coalition might work out, in pratical terms, remains to be seen and given the glaring contradictions both would still hold with each other, it would not be without its issues.

But as Labour stands? Utterly f***ed. Too many internal divisions within the party, let alone the notion of how do you marry the concerns of many voters with the emphasis many Labour activists give to a whole host of issues that just make most people shake their heads in disbelief.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Online Flag Midhurst 09 May 21 11.12am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

My parents always voted Labour. Told me I should do the same. I used to but not any more. They were from an era when the party stood up for the working man. The war influenced them I think.

But now Labour seems to be without purpose or intent. They certainly don't speak for the 'working man' any more. They would appear more interested in left wing ideology, diversity, gender equality and stamping on historical events by way of changing place names because of a distant association with a person who knew someone once involved with somebody else linked loosely with the slave trade.

Difficult to see how they can ever muster the support they once had.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 09 May 21 11.52am Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

The real problem with Labour is their reluctance/inability to elect a woman as party leader.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 May 21 12.37pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'A week is a long time in politics' - Harold Wilson.

You may be polishing the wrong t**d !!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 May 21 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Working class people are conservative (small c) and patriotic that has not changed the labour party has.

Atlee recognised that and was comfortable with it in fact as he got older he got annoyed with the younger MPs who started to be embarrassed about being British.

New Labour needs to understand people want a socialist party with moderate policies that cares about this country and its history (good and bad) and offers something for the aspirational.

As others have said it is an odd situation when the Tories have more in common with working people than Labour.

Whether they can change the direction of the Titanic and miss the iceberg I am not so sure.

The next GE is for the Tories to lose.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 May 21 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by CPFC1965

The real problem with Labour is their reluctance/inability to elect a woman as party leader.

I assume this is a joke if not this is what is wrong with Labour. Obsessed with tick box identity politics. The real problem with Labour is their inability to select a leader with gravitas and charisma who can get them elected. If that is a woman or black or gay blah blah then fine but talent has to be the key element.

Across the country Labour Party HQ has foisted favoured candidates onto the local party and in many cases the voters have said no thanks.

Get back to basic tell the local parties to mentor local people with high profiles (as they did in the old days) instead of the identity kit university suits they have now.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 May 21 12.55pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Andy Burnham has a good connection to the public with his sterling work on behalf of the Hillsborough families.

Starmer is all wrong, sad to say.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 May 21 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Andy Burnham has a good connection to the public with his sterling work on behalf of the Hillsborough families.

Starmer is all wrong, sad to say.

Agreed but why did Burnham quit Parliament? Because he felt that he had no chance of progression within the party and rather than leave like Chukka did he decided to pursue his career in the north.

What sort of power base does he have at Westminster amongst the metropolitan elite?

To the average voter he seems a solid candidate but I suspect the Corbynists would not favour him?

Anyway he has to be elected as an MP first.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 09 May 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'A week is a long time in politics' - Harold Wilson.

You may be polishing the wrong t**d !!

Come on then. Give us the gossip!

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 09 May 21 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed but why did Burnham quit Parliament? Because he felt that he had no chance of progression within the party and rather than leave like Chukka did he decided to pursue his career in the north.

What sort of power base does he have at Westminster amongst the metropolitan elite?

To the average voter he seems a solid candidate but I suspect the Corbynists would not favour him?

Anyway he has to be elected as an MP first.

ANd why would he want the job? It's a curse, as things stand. No real chance of forming a new Government for the rest of the decade, lumbered with an internal policy that means it cannot actually change much by way of its policy stances without agreement from the membership and effectively held hostage by the Unions.

I agree he is the successful senior Labour politician at the moment.

Labour are institutionally 'woke'. Putting them at complete odds with the socially conservative working classes they need to win back.

Utterly screwed.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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