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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 16 Aug 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I think we need to cut PV a bit of slack, it was his first game, and against the European champions so no real shame in a defeat. A few lessons that I think were pretty clear:

Against the top teams we need to set up differently. Wilf doesnít get enough of the ball upfront, and a midfield of 2 gets overrun. I donít want us to play for a stalemate, but against the best Iíd like to see Wilf on the wing, and Ayew (Eze when fit) sat in behind Benteke to help the midfield boys out). I wouldnít even be adverse to 3 CBís to give us a more solid base.

Ayew is a good player, but he needs to play centrally. He offers very little on the wing.

Wilf might get slightly more goals upfront, but heís just not a striker. He is at his best when he has space to run into and can take people on. Playing with back to goal doesnít really give him the chance to do that very often. He is vitally important to help with the transition.

Mateta isnít really showing us much at the min, not an easy game for him, but still isnít making any real meaningful contributions.

Jairo still hasnít convinced me that he has the energy to be a CM in the prem. He always seams to be slightly off the pace. Needs runners around him to help him out.

 

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View horrorshow's Profile horrorshow Flag In the lap of the gods 16 Aug 21 9.55am Send a Private Message to horrorshow Add horrorshow as a friend

Wow. Should Leeds sack Bielsa after losing away to a top for team too? Or how about Norwich getting rid of Fark because they lost 3-0 tooÖat home.

As it has been said we lost 4-0 at the Bridge last season and have not beaten them in 7 attempts nowÖlosing every one. Perspective is required here on the reality of playing the European Champions on a high.

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 16 Aug 21 9.59am Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I think we need to cut PV a bit of slack, it was his first game, and against the European champions so no real shame in a defeat. A few lessons that I think were pretty clear:

Against the top teams we need to set up differently. Wilf doesnít get enough of the ball upfront, and a midfield of 2 gets overrun. I donít want us to play for a stalemate, but against the best Iíd like to see Wilf on the wing, and Ayew (Eze when fit) sat in behind Benteke to help the midfield boys out). I wouldnít even be adverse to 3 CBís to give us a more solid base.

Ayew is a good player, but he needs to play centrally. He offers very little on the wing.

Wilf might get slightly more goals upfront, but heís just not a striker. He is at his best when he has space to run into and can take people on. Playing with back to goal doesnít really give him the chance to do that very often. He is vitally important to help with the transition.

Mateta isnít really showing us much at the min, not an easy game for him, but still isnít making any real meaningful contributions.

Jairo still hasnít convinced me that he has the energy to be a CM in the prem. He always seams to be slightly off the pace. Needs runners around him to help him out.

Riedewald has been gassed up by a section of the fans. He doesnít have a position. Not a centre back not a centre mid and was only ok as stand in left back. Squad player at best.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Aug 21 10.18am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I think we need to cut PV a bit of slack, it was his first game, and against the European champions so no real shame in a defeat. A few lessons that I think were pretty clear:

Against the top teams we need to set up differently. Wilf doesnít get enough of the ball upfront, and a midfield of 2 gets overrun. I donít want us to play for a stalemate, but against the best Iíd like to see Wilf on the wing, and Ayew (Eze when fit) sat in behind Benteke to help the midfield boys out). I wouldnít even be adverse to 3 CBís to give us a more solid base.

Ayew is a good player, but he needs to play centrally. He offers very little on the wing.

Wilf might get slightly more goals upfront, but heís just not a striker. He is at his best when he has space to run into and can take people on. Playing with back to goal doesnít really give him the chance to do that very often. He is vitally important to help with the transition.

Mateta isnít really showing us much at the min, not an easy game for him, but still isnít making any real meaningful contributions.

Jairo still hasnít convinced me that he has the energy to be a CM in the prem. He always seams to be slightly off the pace. Needs runners around him to help him out.

Probably about 3 years ago I heard that Hodgson and Lewington didn't think he reacted and got back quick enough for the PL.

De Boer signed him to play in a back three or in midfield.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 16 Aug 21 10.29am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Hopefully having seen it first hand Pat has learnt that lesson now.

 

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 16 Aug 21 10.37am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago!

Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Royís team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. Weíre going through a major overhaul and weíll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because heís an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance.

De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I donít feel that with PV.

I agree with you there mate , they are the champs of europe ffs , did anyone expect us to win . i was hoping for a draw at the very most but that was from the heart and not the head . At least we put up a fight ! and didnt just go there to defend . Worst ref in the league also . On a brighter note we are on the same points as Man City .

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 16 Aug 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Riedewald has been gassed up by a section of the fans. He doesnít have a position. Not a centre back not a centre mid and was only ok as stand in left back. Squad player at best.

agree but who else could he have picked? Luka has barely featured in pre season so appears not to be fit and Koyaute was playing in defence and his limited passing may not suit PV as a midfield option.

Even with Gallagher in the squad next week our midfield is still looking quite light IMHO.

Still not sure what role suits Schlupp - can be ok on left side of a 442, as a 433 looks lost.

It appears our main centre mid is still almost 34 year old Jimmy Mac

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 16 Aug 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

I agree with you there mate , they are the champs of europe ffs , did anyone expect us to win . i was hoping for a draw at the very most but that was from the heart and not the head . At least we put up a fight ! and didnt just go there to defend . Worst ref in the league also . On a brighter note we are on the same points as Man City .

Yes, and imagine how their supporters are feeling right now. At least most of us expected we'd lose the first game.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Aug 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Yes, and imagine how their supporters are feeling right now. At least most of us expected we'd lose the first game.

Last season, Man C lost their 2nd PL game 5-2 home to Leicester,they only won 3 of their first 8 PL games and they went on to win the title.
I doubt their supporters are in a state of panic !!

 

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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 16 Aug 21 11.45am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by beak

So why are we light in numbers? We have money to spend.A manager should always take any blame,he trains the players,he is in charge of fitness.

Because we have a Chairman and a board that allowed a squad to be run into the ground and allow 11 players to be out of contract which is unheard of in the top flight...

And you blame Viera?... Wow.

 


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View george1212's Profile george1212 Flag london 16 Aug 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to george1212 Add george1212 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo


Jairo still hasnít convinced me that he has the energy to be a CM in the prem. He always seams to be slightly off the pace. Needs runners around him to help him out.

Definitely agree on Jairo. Watching him in the Watford friendly in central midfield I wasn't convinced. Hard worker by all means but the jury is out on him. I feel he lacks that bit of quality ideally needed in CM.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 16 Aug 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by beak

So why are we light in numbers? We have money to spend.A manager should always take any blame,he trains the players,he is in charge of fitness.


In a word "rubbish".
The manager can only work with what he's given and if what he's given isn't good enough, there's not a great deal he can do.

As for money, Chelsea spent more on one player last week than we have spent on our squad in the last 4 years!

Chelsea are simply on a different level to the likes of us.

 

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