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View Sansbup's Profile Sansbup Flag Normandy 05 Jul 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Sansbup Add Sansbup as a friend

Has everyone forgotten about Jimmy Mac? The guy is only 33 and provided he stays fit I'd frankly have him in the team ahead of Jairo every week, with all due respect... we badly missed him in the second half of last season.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jul 21 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

Has everyone forgotten about Jimmy Mac? The guy is only 33 and provided he stays fit I'd frankly have him in the team ahead of Jairo every week, with all due respect... we badly missed him in the second half of last season.

"Oh Jimmy Mack, when are you comin' back ?"

 

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View sydtheeagle's Profile sydtheeagle Flag England 06 Jul 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Predicting the line-up for next season is as impossible as to be worthless trying to do because it presumes we know the answer to the most basic question of all; the one to which the answer will start to be revealed in training this week. That is, what'll be Vieira's tactical approach?

Essentially, a new manager has two options. He can come in and say 'this is the system we are going to play', then acquire the players who fit that system if we don't have them already, or he can look at the players he's got and play a formation that best suits the talent at his disposal. We simply don't know which path Vieira will take (I suspect it'll be the former) but it's the most interesting question of the moment; the pre-season games will tell us a lot.

In a way, that's why it's hard to speculate about incoming transfers right now. Yes, we know there are good players on the market (for instance, Dan James) but are they the sort of players Vieira's approach demands? We don't know. While Roy was here we could much more easily speculate about possible transfer targets because we had a good idea of the sort of player Roy likes. Connor Gallagher, for instance, would almost certainly be a prime target had Roy remained. Whether he's a player Vieira would prioritize I don't know, but time will tell.

Based on his playing experience/style and early managerial career, I'd have to think that his preferred approach will be very, very different to what we're used to. It's hard to believe that keeping possession won't be foundational whereas under Roy, it was barely even important. The problem for us is that after four years of Roy, we have a squad built to defend and counter-attack. Transitioning to a style that's 180 degrees opposite is not going to happen overnight, in one transfer window so either Vieira is going to have to coach new skills into existing players, or we're all going to have to be patient while he replaces them.

Right now, you can assume Guaita, Wilf (if he stays), and I suspect Benteke are nailed on. Probably Kouyate and Mitchell too. Much more than that is guesswork. However, if we start playing with a little ambition, purpose, and determination to win games rather than avoid losing them, I'm prepared to suffer a few losses in the bedding-in period. What the Roy era taught me personally is that I don't go to football because we're in the Premiership. I go because it's Palace and I want to be entertained. Those of us long in the tooth will remember the Malcolm Allison years of the mid-70s. Sure, we were in the Third Division for three seasons but we had ambition, flair, and style and for many of us, they were the most memorable times of Palace lives. And, of course, those years eventually gave birth to the Team of the Eighties. Patience is a virtue. Vieira will need us to show some.

 


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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 07 Jul 21 2.39pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Predicting the line-up for next season is as impossible as to be worthless trying to do because it presumes we know the answer to the most basic question of all; the one to which the answer will start to be revealed in training this week. That is, what'll be Vieira's tactical approach?

Essentially, a new manager has two options. He can come in and say 'this is the system we are going to play', then acquire the players who fit that system if we don't have them already, or he can look at the players he's got and play a formation that best suits the talent at his disposal. We simply don't know which path Vieira will take (I suspect it'll be the former) but it's the most interesting question of the moment; the pre-season games will tell us a lot.

In a way, that's why it's hard to speculate about incoming transfers right now. Yes, we know there are good players on the market (for instance, Dan James) but are they the sort of players Vieira's approach demands? We don't know. While Roy was here we could much more easily speculate about possible transfer targets because we had a good idea of the sort of player Roy likes. Connor Gallagher, for instance, would almost certainly be a prime target had Roy remained. Whether he's a player Vieira would prioritize I don't know, but time will tell.

Based on his playing experience/style and early managerial career, I'd have to think that his preferred approach will be very, very different to what we're used to. It's hard to believe that keeping possession won't be foundational whereas under Roy, it was barely even important. The problem for us is that after four years of Roy, we have a squad built to defend and counter-attack. Transitioning to a style that's 180 degrees opposite is not going to happen overnight, in one transfer window so either Vieira is going to have to coach new skills into existing players, or we're all going to have to be patient while he replaces them.

Right now, you can assume Guaita, Wilf (if he stays), and I suspect Benteke are nailed on. Probably Kouyate and Mitchell too. Much more than that is guesswork. However, if we start playing with a little ambition, purpose, and determination to win games rather than avoid losing them, I'm prepared to suffer a few losses in the bedding-in period. What the Roy era taught me personally is that I don't go to football because we're in the Premiership. I go because it's Palace and I want to be entertained. Those of us long in the tooth will remember the Malcolm Allison years of the mid-70s. Sure, we were in the Third Division for three seasons but we had ambition, flair, and style and for many of us, they were the most memorable times of Palace lives. And, of course, those years eventually gave birth to the Team of the Eighties. Patience is a virtue. Vieira will need us to show some.

Great post. Especially the conclusion. I dont fully agree with your contention that a new manager has 2 options. I'd say there's scope for a hybrid - steady as you go before moving toward a new style. He might want to move to a style of play he has in mind but with 5 weeks before the first game, he'd be unlikely to transform us in time.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Jul 21 3.46pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

Great post. Especially the conclusion. I dont fully agree with your contention that a new manager has 2 options. I'd say there's scope for a hybrid - steady as you go before moving toward a new style. He might want to move to a style of play he has in mind but with 5 weeks before the first game, he'd be unlikely to transform us in time.


It could depend on how many of the existing players he plans to use as 1st team starters. If we are buying younger players at about £8-10m a time (Olise and Rogers so far it is rumoured) and there really is at least £50m to spend then we might see 5 or 6 new faces along with Banks possibly coming in.

The way PV was speaking in his interview about what he hopes to do at St George's next week, I got the impression that he wants to introduce his way of playing ASAP. The pre-season friendlies should tell us something on this front.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 08 Jul 21 4.18am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Too many changes is a bad idea. I'd go:

Guiata

Clyne - Tomkins - NEW - Mitchell

Luka

McArthur - NEW

NEW - Eze - Olise

Tekkers

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Jul 21 7.00am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Too many changes is a bad idea. I'd go:

Guiata

Clyne - Tomkins - NEW - Mitchell

Luka

McArthur - NEW

NEW - Eze - Olise

Tekkers

Eze won't be around for quite a long time so you really need to factor in another player for the first half of the season

 

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View Hannes's Profile Hannes Flag Vienna 08 Jul 21 7.32am Send a Private Message to Hannes Add Hannes as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Eze won't be around for quite a long time so you really need to factor in another player for the first half of the season

Probably will be the one sent off the pitch before the Ref starts the game in the above mentioned starting twelve!

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Jul 21 8.01am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hannes


Probably will be the one sent off the pitch before the Ref starts the game in the above mentioned starting twelve!

You're more observant than either sprites or myself it seems

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 08 Jul 21 8.52am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Vieira Likes 4-1-4-1 Alot so i think maybe

Guaita

New Kouyate New Mitchell

Luka

Schlupp New McArthur Olise

Mateta

Zaha Gone. Eze and Ferguson when fit
Squad players, Butland,Kelly,Tomkins,Rich-Baghueloe,Jairo,Rak-Sakyi,Montes,Ayew,Benteke

Sounds good to me

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 09 Jul 21 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

-----------_--Guiata
--Ward---Kouyate--Tomkins--Mitchell
----------Luka----Downes
---------------Eze
--Zaha-----------------------Olise
-------------Bentekke

Schlupp for Eze at the start of the season with some rotation in position between Wilf, Olise and Schlupp.

I'm surprised Downes has not been linked with us more this summer. We were interested enough for him to have handed in a transfer request in the past. Has only 12 months left on his contract and we have a long history of having stories breaking of us being interested in a player and then seem to keep an eye on them for one or two more windows before signing them.

Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jul 2021 4.54pm)

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 09 Jul 21 6.41pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

-----------_--Guiata
--Ward---Kouyate--Tomkins--Mitchell
----------Luka----Downes
---------------Eze
--Zaha-----------------------Olise
-------------Bentekke

Schlupp for Eze at the start of the season with some rotation in position between Wilf, Olise and Schlupp.

I'm surprised Downes has not been linked with us more this summer. We were interested enough for him to have handed in a transfer request in the past. Has only 12 months left on his contract and we have a long history of having stories breaking of us being interested in a player and then seem to keep an eye on them for one or two more windows before signing them.

Edited by Mwncisee (09 Jul 2021 4.54pm)

Chat on Twitter is that a deal for Victor Nelsson is close to being done @ £12M plus add ons.

Also chat about Reiss Nelson - so potentially a double Nelson..!!

If we do sign Reiss Nelson would suggest to me that Zaha is going as weíd then have Olise, Nelson, Sakyi, Ayew and then depending on what happens on contract renewal Townsend as wide options. I personally would be fine with that - Wilf clearly wants to go and Olise, Nelson and Sakyi much younger and offer an exciting future without all the Wilf baggage, moaning and histrionics.

Donít get me wrong I love Wilf - IMO in the top 3 players to ever have played for us - alongside Sansom and Wright. But heís either committed to Palace and this current very exciting rebuilding phase or he ainít. If he ainít then fine - thanks for the memories and good luck Wilf, but time for us to move on and look/build for the future.

Still think youíll see Connor Gallagher coming in - Flynn Downes is also a good shout providing heís over his injury - donít want another Nathan Ferguson scenario.

Because of the injury to Ferguson we need another right back - personally I think Jayden Bogle would be a good shout.

I know weíve got Mitchell and Hannam - but still think we need some experience - Ryan Bertrand available on a free?

Even if Nelsson signs still think we need another centre back - we donít need to complete this rebuild in one window. So personally Iíd resign Cahill - didnít let us down last year and his experience would be good and an asset for PV with so many youngsters potentially coming into the squad.

Then youíve got the rumors around Morgan Rogers - donít know a lot about him, but a lot of observers suggesting a very good prospect and obviously PV would know him from City.

Then youíve got others like Riedewald who may blossom under PV - Scott Banks similarly. Then others that will be pushing from the successful u18 and u23 squads.

Just some thoughts..!!

All very interesting and exciting..!!

Come on Viera and COYP..!!

 

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