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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 20 Jul 21 1.59pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by Omph

Think we generally agree but not sure WH or Leicester stack up either as a comparison.

West Ham have one season really - there is generally a bottom half club that come good for a season. They could easily be down to 13th 14th next time. Nothing intrinsically strong in their set up.

Leicester are a top 5 club nowadays - only public perception puts them behind Spurs and Arsenal. They have bought and sold brilliantly for a number of years now.

With Maddison, Barnes, Iheanacho, and Ndidi Leicester have been keeping signing players with the long term in mind.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 20 Jul 21 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Zaha127

No doubt there is quality. Guehi looks to be a decent signing. Olise when he is fit could have a similar impact like Eze.

Having players like Eze, Olise, Benteke means goals and assists can come from other areas rather than just relying on Zaha. However, I still think Palace do need at least three more signings.

Definitely a striker to make compete with Benteke (someone like Adam Armstrong could be a good signing and is a realistic option.) Another creative player/winger is required Matheus Pereira would be perfect knows the Premiership can score and assist.

An attacking midfielder maybe e.g. Someone like Loftus Cheek. Left back should be okay Mitchell and Hannam could both do well at that role.

Do you think top 10 is a possibility currently? How many more signings and who do you think would be ideal to make this possible?

If anything, the top ten of quality will just increase in size, making the bottom 3 even more cut off.

City, United, Chelsea, L'pool, Arsenal, Eve, Spurs, Lei, Spam all top draw sides.. then you have likes of palace, wolves, sou, lee, villa all competing to get in.

then you have your 3 promoted that will come in, try and survive as a requirement and clubs that need to step up, Brighton, burnley, Newcastle so it won't be long before it's a top 12 league.

 


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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Online Flag Hastings 20 Jul 21 5.56pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

We seem to be making the right moves to be a successful maybe top ten, especially with the academy, however the key to me is the Stadium, build the new stand, increased revenue, and the future looks much brighter, stay as we are we will struggle long term

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 20 Jul 21 9.08pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

The bottom line is we are a bottom 5 club off the pitch, so achieving top 10 with any regularity requires us to significantly outperform peers in the transfer market for prolonged periods.

It's improbable, recent history does not favour us, but it's not impossible.

Stay up this season and I will start to feel optimistic though.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (20 Jul 2021 9.11pm)

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 20 Jul 21 9.28pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

The bottom line is we are a bottom 5 club off the pitch, so achieving top 10 with any regularity requires us to significantly outperform peers in the transfer market for prolonged periods.

It's improbable, recent history does not favour us, but it's not impossible.

Stay up this season and I will start to feel optimistic though.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (20 Jul 2021 9.11pm)

I think this is about right. The off-pitch bits we need to work on are reducing over time now that the stadium belongs to the club (more or less), we have a decent training ground, the academy is coming up to top level, and the youth set up seems successful. The biggest hurdle is of course the ground. If we build the main stand next year, we'll begin to catch up with the likes of Leicester and Southampton in that respect, but it'll hardly catch us up with the bigger clubs until we can redevelop the AW and the Whitehorse too.

Still, the board have achieved a massive amount so far, so perhaps anything is possible.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 22 Jul 21 10.07am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

I do think there seems to be a lot of dependency on our future coming from the graduation of academy players in to future first teams when actual statistics say otherwise. Club are allowed to register up to 250 youngsters. However only 0.5% of them who enter at age nine actually then go on to make a living from the game. Whilst there clearly has to be a wealth of untapped talent in the London area we are not alone in seeking those potential players, not forgetting of course that there is a lot of competition from other clubs in the capital also seeking that potential. IMHO there has to be changes in ownership for this club to really progress as a lot of financial investment is needed to secure our future and I do not think that will come from the current American owners.

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 22 Jul 21 11.13am Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

I was curious as to what draws you to the conclusion re the Americans? What is is no doubt is that they are extremely wealthy at a young age, have numerous investments in sports/football and money has been found to both invest in the transfer market and in the academy despite the challenges associated with Covid. I suspect none of that would have happened without their direct agreement and possible funding.

Its always challenging to know exactly how they see Palace and especially the main stand issue as they are very quiet, keep in the background and Parish handles all the media aspects. However, I suspect their presence - and indeed that of other US investors - may be more beneficial than is often portrayed.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Jul 21 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

The Americans have provided cash flow (loans that get repaid and repaid faster than other clubs). Without that when allardyce was manager and we would’ve been relegated. However, we have borrowed money externally since in Australia I’ve heard on here so that cost the club interest.

Just who paid for the academy exactly because I remember the begging bowl/guilt trip used by the club when giving options over the refunds to games not attended by season ticket and ticket holders at the end of the 19/20 season. Without the Americans we would’ve reached the end of the road. But the stadium has stalled permanently and they step in when relegation looks a reality to protect their asset. Nothing more. Maybe now they’re using this cleaner slate and the change in the transfer market to rebuild the team properly. It does look that way and if it isn’t now then when would it ever be? Hopefully the players gel in reasonable time and Vieira doesn’t have to be sacked (contract paid off with millions).

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 22 Jul 21 1.11pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The Americans have provided cash flow (loans that get repaid and repaid faster than other clubs). Without that when allardyce was manager and we would’ve been relegated. However, we have borrowed money externally since in Australia I’ve heard on here so that cost the club interest.

Just who paid for the academy exactly because I remember the begging bowl/guilt trip used by the club when giving options over the refunds to games not attended by season ticket and ticket holders at the end of the 19/20 season. Without the Americans we would’ve reached the end of the road. But the stadium has stalled permanently and they step in when relegation looks a reality to protect their asset. Nothing more. Maybe now they’re using this cleaner slate and the change in the transfer market to rebuild the team properly. It does look that way and if it isn’t now then when would it ever be? Hopefully the players gel in reasonable time and Vieira doesn’t have to be sacked (contract paid off with millions).

Thing is, when the stake was sold to the Americans, Parish was clear that it was to accelerate the various projects that combined to form his long term plan for Palace (training ground, academy, stadium).

As you say, it isn't totally clear that the Americans paid for the academy (or what the overall cost even was), and all we know for sure are two key things:

1. Club owners can invest as much as they like in the physical infrastructure and not be stung by FFP. Planning permission notwithstanding, the Americans could fund the total redevelopment of Selhurst into a 45,000 stadium at a cost of hundreds of millions if they can afford it, and wanted to, and not run into any FFP trouble.

The issue seems to be whether there is a good business case to doing so - is it an investment that will return?

We tend to presume that the value of the club would increase if we redevelop Selhurst, but would it? Gate receipts are not the biggest income source anymore, and even if we could fill a 45,000 Selhurst every week (not guaranteed) the revenue surely would not be enough to make the team Champions League contenders, which is the next noticeable rung on the ladder income-wise, above and beyond being a stable premier league club.

It might simply be that massively redeveloping Selhurst in a short space of time isn't cost-effective for the business, and isn't a good investment at all. If that is true, it doesn't matter who owns the club or how rich they are - unless they are in it wholly for vanity then the stadium will have to be addressed stand by stand over a very, very long time, if anything ever happens at all once the new main stand goes up.


2. They have paid for players and covered losses. No doubt about it. It certainly was to protect the investment, but they did do it.

If that's all they are here to do though - why did CPFC2010 sell the shares to them?

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Originally posted by nead1

I was curious as to what draws you to the conclusion re the Americans? What is is no doubt is that they are extremely wealthy at a young age, have numerous investments in sports/football and money has been found to both invest in the transfer market and in the academy despite the challenges associated with Covid. I suspect none of that would have happened without their direct agreement and possible funding.

Its always challenging to know exactly how they see Palace and especially the main stand issue as they are very quiet, keep in the background and Parish handles all the media aspects. However, I suspect their presence - and indeed that of other US investors - may be more beneficial than is often portrayed.

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The Americans are as you say very wealthy but they make no secret of their desire to sell if they get the right offer!

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 22 Jul 21 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

We have a new US investor , Robert. Franco, has put 20 mill into the academy, How bad is that?
Whether all this leads to us being a regular top ten is not forgone, but they are trying.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 22 Jul 21 8.10pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

We have a new US investor , Robert. Franco, has put 20 mill into the academy, How bad is that?
Whether all this leads to us being a regular top ten is not forgone, but they are trying.

Where is that information from Putitout? Hadn't seen that.

 

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