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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 01 Aug 21 7.57am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

I can see both sides to this debate having taken up cycling last year during lockdown (like loads of others) - I really enjoy getting out and I am much fitter for the exercise. There are a number of cycling clubs near me (I am not a member) and they go out in a pack and it can be frustrating when you are driving as they are very difficult to get past.

Re lycra - road bike saddles are not comfy so you do need to have a pair of padded shorts - not everyone who wears lycra is a lout..

I wonder whether the issue of riders going through red lights is partially to do with having clip-in pedals and losing momentum?

 

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View BeckenhamSteve's Profile BeckenhamSteve Flag beckenham 01 Aug 21 10.55pm Send a Private Message to BeckenhamSteve Add BeckenhamSteve as a friend

Could I just say there is no road tax anymore. "Vehicles" are taxed according to carbon emmisions and if bycycles were to be included in the scheme they would be at zero rate so would pay nothing anyway.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 02 Aug 21 5.45pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

If you want to kill someone, do it on a road. A quick search of cyclists killed on the road includes.

A lorry driver, Neil Gass, 48, drove into Mike Seminara, 71, on Cargo roundabout in Carlisle in March 2018. He later admitted the lesser charge of causing death by careless driving. Gass was sentenced to 12 weeks in jail, suspended for 18 months.

A motorist who killed a cyclist in Fife after driving carelessly has been sentenced to 300 hours unpaid work and banned from driving for 10 years. David Gordon, 56, was overtaking when it was unsafe to do so and hit Gary Christie on his mountain bike.

There is a 2008 article in the Sun that over 80 per cent of drivers involved in the death of a cyclist in a road collision aren't sent to prison.

And a couple of cyclists who killed pedestrians.

Ermir Loka, 23, jumped a red light on his bicycle and collided with Peter McCombie in Tower Hamlets on 3 July 2020, leaving the pedestrian with serious injuries from which he died in hospital eight days later. Loka, was sentenced to two years in prison.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston jailed for 18 months over death of pedestrian.

 


It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 02 Aug 21 6.06pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Cycling was fun in the 60s when I went all over the place on my bike. By the early 70s I started to be really afraid to go out on my bike. Poor quality of roads at the edges where you ride coupled with an increasing amount of heavy goods vehicles made every ride a lottery as far as I was concerned.

Nowadays, with all the encouragement for folk to go 'green' and to cycle instead of drive there are more and more cyclists riding without proper consideration for motor traffic. They often appear arrogant in a self-righteous way and seem to expect other road users to give way to them.

So often now, traffic has to slow down before overtaking and I have witnessed a number of near misses caused by cars braking heavily.

I join the club of thinking that cyclists should have compulsory insurance, should have their road bikes properly registered and should somehow pay for the privilege of using the roads.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 02 Aug 21 6.55pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

If you want to kill someone, do it on a road. A quick search of cyclists killed on the road includes.

A lorry driver, Neil Gass, 48, drove into Mike Seminara, 71, on Cargo roundabout in Carlisle in March 2018. He later admitted the lesser charge of causing death by careless driving. Gass was sentenced to 12 weeks in jail, suspended for 18 months.

A motorist who killed a cyclist in Fife after driving carelessly has been sentenced to 300 hours unpaid work and banned from driving for 10 years. David Gordon, 56, was overtaking when it was unsafe to do so and hit Gary Christie on his mountain bike.

There is a 2008 article in the Sun that over 80 per cent of drivers involved in the death of a cyclist in a road collision aren't sent to prison.

And a couple of cyclists who killed pedestrians.

Ermir Loka, 23, jumped a red light on his bicycle and collided with Peter McCombie in Tower Hamlets on 3 July 2020, leaving the pedestrian with serious injuries from which he died in hospital eight days later. Loka, was sentenced to two years in prison.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston jailed for 18 months over death of pedestrian.

Add a cyclist that killed a bloke in Regent street a couple of years ago and cycled off, never to be seen again! If there was a number plate on his bike the culprit could have been traced.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Aug 21 9.55pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Add a cyclist that killed a bloke in Regent street a couple of years ago and cycled off, never to be seen again! If there was a number plate on his bike the culprit could have been traced.

Maybe so, but the bloke he hit would still have died. And the cyclist would be in prison, and rightly so. However, why is it that if you kill a cyclist with your motor vehicle, you don't go to prison? Or if you do, not for long. Is that fair do you think?

Majority of casualties on roads are users of two wheeled vehicles. Motorcyclists slightly higher than pedal cyclists. As you brought up "a couple of years ago", look at this data from Brake.org [Link]

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 02 Aug 21 10.20pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Maybe so, but the bloke he hit would still have died. And the cyclist would be in prison, and rightly so. However, why is it that if you kill a cyclist with your motor vehicle, you don't go to prison? Or if you do, not for long. Is that fair do you think?

Majority of casualties on roads are users of two wheeled vehicles. Motorcyclists slightly higher than pedal cyclists. As you brought up "a couple of years ago", look at this data from Brake.org [Link]

The thing is, if the cyclist knew he would get a tug by the police for breaking highway code he might not have ridden so recklessly and the victim might not have been struck in the first place! Anyone, whether cyclist or motor vehicle, should obey the highway code, and if they don"t and injure/kill someone they deserve what ever comes their way!The one thing we need is id on the back of any bike used on the road, it can only enhance the cycling experience of all law abiding cyclists, getting a bad rep by the increasing lawless lycra louts!

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Aug 21 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

The thing is, if the cyclist knew he would get a tug by the police for breaking highway code he might not have ridden so recklessly and the victim might not have been struck in the first place! Anyone, whether cyclist or motor vehicle, should obey the highway code, and if they don"t and injure/kill someone they deserve what ever comes their way!The one thing we need is id on the back of any bike used on the road, it can only enhance the cycling experience of all law abiding cyclists, getting a bad rep by the increasing lawless lycra louts!

You have never driven without due care and attention? You know, light a fag (you smoke), maybe drop it occasionally, drank a Starbucks/Costa coffee, tune the radio/change stations, eat something, sneeze, look at some totty etc. You could get a tug for those if involved in an incident. There are plenty of hit and runs by vehicle drivers which don't get solved. So really, your issue is with Lycra. What is it? Overweight? Can't ride a bike?

Littlehampton?

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 02 Aug 21 10.57pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

You have never driven without due care and attention? You know, light a fag (you smoke), maybe drop it occasionally, drank a Starbucks/Costa coffee, tune the radio/change stations, eat something, sneeze, look at some totty etc. You could get a tug for those if involved in an incident. There are plenty of hit and runs by vehicle drivers which don't get solved. So really, your issue is with Lycra. What is it? Overweight? Can't ride a bike?

Littlehampton?

As a habit, I always stop at red lights and pedestrian crossings , always drive with insurance, always pay road tax for driving on the road I use,(whether it goes on the roads is questionable),never eat or drink at the wheel, bar sweets from time to time.You must want id to be attatched to cycles as a responsible cyclist surely?You no doubt get off your bike and take a walk now and again? Maybe use a crossing? Do you not think you shouldn"t have to pray the cyclist doing the tour de France in the centre of your town is going to stop for you?

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Aug 21 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

As a habit, I always stop at red lights and pedestrian crossings , always drive with insurance, always pay road tax for driving on the road I use,(whether it goes on the roads is questionable),never eat or drink at the wheel, bar sweets from time to time.You must want id to be attatched to cycles as a responsible cyclist surely?You no doubt get off your bike and take a walk now and again? Maybe use a crossing? Do you not think you shouldn"t have to pray the cyclist doing the tour de France in the centre of your town is going to stop for you?

You haven't paid road tax ever, I would suggest. Not sure how old you are, but road tax ceased in 1937. You pay a license fee. Modern vehicles with low emissions pay zero license fees. I believe bicycles are low emission too, so would be exempt. Insurance, as I'm sure you know, is extremely fickle in paying out, and a cyclist involved in a road accident is likely to be dead, therefore negating the need for it in the first place.

I'm not a cyclist, but cannot see how ID for cycles/cyclists could be implemented without considerable cost to either the tax paying public or the cyclists themselves. Either expense would have a detrimental effect, as car drivers would feel they would be paying twice if the cost was added to tax, or further congested as cyclists abandon their now expensive cycles and get back into their cars.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Aug 21 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

You haven't paid road tax ever, I would suggest. Not sure how old you are, but road tax ceased in 1937. You pay a license fee. Modern vehicles with low emissions pay zero license fees. I believe bicycles are low emission too, so would be exempt. Insurance, as I'm sure you know, is extremely fickle in paying out, and a cyclist involved in a road accident is likely to be dead, therefore negating the need for it in the first place.

I'm not a cyclist, but cannot see how ID for cycles/cyclists could be implemented without considerable cost to either the tax paying public or the cyclists themselves. Either expense would have a detrimental effect, as car drivers would feel they would be paying twice if the cost was added to tax, or further congested as cyclists abandon their now expensive cycles and get back into their cars.

Bicycles cause considerable emissions when they dawdle along in bus lanes. When they should dawdle, i.e.when going the wrong way up a one-way street they donít.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 02 Aug 21 11.51pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Bicycles cause considerable emissions when they dawdle along in bus lanes. When they should dawdle, i.e.when going the wrong way up a one-way street they donít.

Yes, another example of how having a plate on the bike with all the cctv these days could add some much needed revenue for improving the roads, win win for the tax payer and the cyclists who have not got a fine!

 

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