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Reminded me of when the Palace ladies reserve team were funded by Wilf cos the club would not not. Put all the working with the community PR spin in perspective.

Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, that's the funny thing about this Olympics. The sports I should I wasn't give a fig about were the exact ones I was almost spellbound by. Those bmx lot were something else. Shameful that some had to 'crowd fund' to even get there.

 


A lie will travel half way around the world before the truth has got it's shoes on.

I have simply accepted Wisbech Eagle is an all knowing and wise higher form of life.

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Originally posted by HKOwen

Reminded me of when the Palace ladies reserve team were funded by Wilf cos the club would not not. Put all the working with the community PR spin in perspective.

100%. All too often heralded community efforts and initiatives are non existent beyond the spin. The same is true of so many areas of life unfortunately. It's always left to well meaning individuals to make a difference.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

[Link] Slap Fight for Paris 2024

Ha, that could be worth watching!

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

100%. All too often heralded community efforts and initiatives are non existent beyond the spin. The same is true of so many areas of life unfortunately. It's always left to well meaning individuals to make a difference.

Especially Charity ! I always tell the chuggers I wont sign up for 10 a month, but have a way of making your charity 500,000 today, and that good cause can benefit tomorrow! Get on the phone to your charities ceo, tell him/her you have an idea, half their salary, give our charity 500k, they keep the other half, and its win win!

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

Especially Charity ! I always tell the chuggers I wont sign up for 10 a month, but have a way of making your charity 500,000 today, and that good cause can benefit tomorrow! Get on the phone to your charities ceo, tell him/her you have an idea, half their salary, give our charity 500k, they keep the other half, and its win win!

Aint that the truth!

It's shocking how much is often siphoned off before it reaches the cause. Many charities get too big for their own good. It's important to check where the money is going, as some genuinely do try to keep as slimline and focused on the cause as possible - we just rarely hear about those!

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 Aug 21 7.43am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Aint that the truth!

It's shocking how much is often siphoned off before it reaches the cause. Many charities get too big for their own good. It's important to check where the money is going, as some genuinely do try to keep as slimline and focused on the cause as possible - we just rarely hear about those!

The function of the bigger charities is that they function as an extension of the political elites. A lot of the top jobs tend to go to politicians who, for one reason or the other, have decided/need to swerve out of the main game for a while or else the jobs go to politician's friends and family by way of influence and so on.

Always thought one of the cleverest parts of the US version of 'House of Cards' was the story arc of Claire Underwood and her role in the charity sector. Very telling.

Look at the likes of what David Miliband did when they stood down. Its a pattern repeated over and over again.

People talk of lobbying as being the most corrupting part of modern politics and they are not wrong but the role of charities/ngo's in how the current 'game' is being played out is pushing it closely for second place, and with a lot more nuances involved.

It's also how a lot of bribes, at an international level, are paid. Lets say Bongo Bongo land are in the market for tanks they don't need. The UK would never stoop so low as to just bung the right politician a brown envelope by way of securing the contract. But fund a 'charity' that the politician's relative or close friend has set up? That's how this s*** works. And why that over-seas budget everybody kicks up a fuss about is not quite what it seems.

And it's not just politicians. Corporations, Intelligence agencies and a host of others all have their vested interests in the charity sector for a whole host of reasons. The modern James Bond is far more likely to wear a pair of sandals and shorts whilst running a vaccine program in some far-flung village in the hills of the pakistan/Afghan border than swanning around in a tux and knocking back the old Martini's.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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I see our sprinters have been successful NOT.

I actually dislike the sprinting events and I don't just mean the British team. There is a lot of posing and staring and arrogance before they get down to business.

This carries over into interviews now if you are Usain Bolt you have every right to be arrogant because you back it up.

Back to the British sprinters they are high profile and don't deserve it they have failed in Tokyo with the usual excuses that they got injured just before the games, well they should have withdrawn and let someone else try.

Incredibly funding is not equal per athlete per sport. A few Olympics ago our sprinters failed to win a single medal it then turned out that they were on 250,000 each. Meanwhile some of the "lesser" Olympians who actually won medals were on as little as 15k. Aparantly if you are a sprinter your food and living bills are a lot more than if you are say a badminton player.

I don't get why we continue to throw money at men and women who constantly talk the talk but don't do it when it matters and then will never say I was beaten by the better person. Interestingly in the Swimming you don't see to get the same arrogance in the sprint events so this is something peculiar to sprinting.

Anyway that's why I dislike the sprinters, especially our lot.

 


One more point

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Originally posted by Matov

The function of the bigger charities is that they function as an extension of the political elites. A lot of the top jobs tend to go to politicians who, for one reason or the other, have decided/need to swerve out of the main game for a while or else the jobs go to politician's friends and family by way of influence and so on.

Always thought one of the cleverest parts of the US version of 'House of Cards' was the story arc of Claire Underwood and her role in the charity sector. Very telling.

Look at the likes of what David Miliband did when they stood down. Its a pattern repeated over and over again.

People talk of lobbying as being the most corrupting part of modern politics and they are not wrong but the role of charities/ngo's in how the current 'game' is being played out is pushing it closely for second place, and with a lot more nuances involved.

It's also how a lot of bribes, at an international level, are paid. Lets say Bongo Bongo land are in the market for tanks they don't need. The UK would never stoop so low as to just bung the right politician a brown envelope by way of securing the contract. But fund a 'charity' that the politician's relative or close friend has set up? That's how this s*** works. And why that over-seas budget everybody kicks up a fuss about is not quite what it seems.

And it's not just politicians. Corporations, Intelligence agencies and a host of others all have their vested interests in the charity sector for a whole host of reasons. The modern James Bond is far more likely to wear a pair of sandals and shorts whilst running a vaccine program in some far-flung village in the hills of the pakistan/Afghan border than swanning around in a tux and knocking back the old Martini's.

Very true the media call it soft power I call it bribery.

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 03 Aug 21 8.30am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Very true the media call it soft power I call it bribery.

It's the way of the world. The Industrial/Military complex is a real thing and as dangerous as people think it is.

If you want to be really geekish about this, then you can find a 1961 speech by the then departing US President, Dwight Eisenhower, in which he openly talks about the dangers of it.

With a lot of the rest of the speech also hitting a lot of nails very firmly on the head, especially in this day and age. Telling stuff.

 


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Indeed Matov raises a lot of overlapping issues of 'funding', and how they are described in various accounts.
'5hit the UK needs to bury in a hole somewhere' for some was designated as "Foreign Aid", whereby nasty stuff like uranium, asbestos and old car tyres where buried in a large hole in Africa/Asia somewhere.

And rich people have a lot to gain from charity work, by way off using it in their submitted accounts to reduce tax liability.

As far as the Olympics goes, there is disproportionate funding for some athletes. I can see a future where professional/sponsored athletes are (openly) allowed to compete in Olympics, rather than the sham of current amateurs.

And as for the other weighty matters, the Chinese winner is a definite no, but the GB lifter was an almost certain yes,...as long as there are no hidden extras.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

The function of the bigger charities is that they function as an extension of the political elites. A lot of the top jobs tend to go to politicians who, for one reason or the other, have decided/need to swerve out of the main game for a while or else the jobs go to politician's friends and family by way of influence and so on.

Always thought one of the cleverest parts of the US version of 'House of Cards' was the story arc of Claire Underwood and her role in the charity sector. Very telling.

Look at the likes of what David Miliband did when they stood down. Its a pattern repeated over and over again.

People talk of lobbying as being the most corrupting part of modern politics and they are not wrong but the role of charities/ngo's in how the current 'game' is being played out is pushing it closely for second place, and with a lot more nuances involved.

It's also how a lot of bribes, at an international level, are paid. Lets say Bongo Bongo land are in the market for tanks they don't need. The UK would never stoop so low as to just bung the right politician a brown envelope by way of securing the contract. But fund a 'charity' that the politician's relative or close friend has set up? That's how this s*** works. And why that over-seas budget everybody kicks up a fuss about is not quite what it seems.

And it's not just politicians. Corporations, Intelligence agencies and a host of others all have their vested interests in the charity sector for a whole host of reasons. The modern James Bond is far more likely to wear a pair of sandals and shorts whilst running a vaccine program in some far-flung village in the hills of the pakistan/Afghan border than swanning around in a tux and knocking back the old Martini's.

Very insightful points. There's no doubt that there is just enough plausible deniability in the system to keep greasing the right palms. If done so under the umbrella of 'charity' and 'doing the right thing' it's no doubt hard to scrutinise and trace without looking paranoid or becoming 'the bad guy'.

 

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The Olympics is taking a break for its mental health. I'm sure my work won't mind me taking a few months off too.
The legacy event for the next Olympics is Pretend Cause Posturing. GB expected to do well, whilst China and Russia have already lodged an appeal against it.

 


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Red and Blue Army!

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