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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Aug 21 7.17am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Islamic state seemed to use the media in a horrendous, but very savvy way, by publicising their attrocities against captured Iraqi army prisoners. This appeared to create a prevalence of fear amongst Iraqi forces, who often fled combat, even when numbers were overwhelmingly in their favour.

Whilst there has been no direct release of videoed war crimes by the Taliban, there have been rumours of captured Afghan soldiers being tortured and shot.

With Kabul now the final piece of the Afghan Government pending a decisive conflict, I think (and it's only my opinion) that the media coverage of the Taliban rapid advances has maybe already created/contributed to a climate of fear/defeat amongst the Afghan military.

With coherent verifiable information so difficult to find, am wondering whether the Afghan Government will capitulate, or whether there is any fight left within the Government forces.

Personally, i just see carnage ahead, with no winners, just losers (except the arms manufacturers). I really think the Afghan army is a busted flush, and only western military intervention can prevent a humanitarian disaster that will last for years.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Aug 21 7.23am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And just to be a total thwat and reply to my own thread, the media coverage in the UK has been pl55 poor. It was obvious from the TV reports I've seen from "reporters on the ground", they had nothing to contribute, except some bvll5hlt speculation that was concocted between reporters over a few late night drinks, when they realised they had fck-all to say.

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I really think the Afghan army is a busted flush, and only western military intervention can prevent a humanitarian disaster that will last for years.

That's exactly why there is a disaster there right now. The only way to stop these ridiculous situations is to stop attacking these countries. It all started with the 'Gulf war', that's when we saw the terrorist attacks start on the west by groups out of these countries. When you punch someone in the face, expect to be punched back and that punch might be even stronger. That's the reason the US and UK are now running away from Afghanistan, they failed and lost against the local militia.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Aug 21 9.02am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

That's exactly why there is a disaster there right now. The only way to stop these ridiculous situations is to stop attacking these countries. It all started with the 'Gulf war', that's when we saw the terrorist attacks start on the west by groups out of these countries. When you punch someone in the face, expect to be punched back and that punch might be even stronger. That's the reason the US and UK are now running away from Afghanistan, they failed and lost against the local militia.

Valid points. ^^^ And even with my limited life-experience in the first and second Gulf Wars, you could see that there were no definable military or political targets (except oil-grabbing), and the campaign had no viable exit-strategy.

Pretty-much the same in Afghanistan, except the lack of oil. I can see some sort of secret deal brokered with the Taliban (soon to be Government), whereby they are allowed to cultivate Opium poppies in order to provide a viable (mostly-illegal) income to sustain the Afghan economy.

I'm struggling to see any strategy undertaken by Western Governments that makes any sense whatsoever.

 


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Having to stick to the 'rules' and the enemy knowing this didn't help. Don't shoot unless that RPG is fired at your jeep doesn't give you much chance to put fear in the enemy. The Western governments capitulated to the do gooders and thats why the taliban are so strong.
If we go back in then no quarter should be given as they don't. See a gun shoot the man. Under those conditions the west will wipe the floor with them but if a squaddie might get sent to jail for doing their job as has happened then what is the point really.
Let them get on with it as they are reaping what they have had 20 years to sow.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 21 10.32am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

That's exactly why there is a disaster there right now. The only way to stop these ridiculous situations is to stop attacking these countries. It all started with the 'Gulf war', that's when we saw the terrorist attacks start on the west by groups out of these countries. When you punch someone in the face, expect to be punched back and that punch might be even stronger. That's the reason the US and UK are now running away from Afghanistan, they failed and lost against the local militia.

The Taliban were stopping any kind of normal life through violence before the West got involved. While the West were there girls could go to school. Elections happened. People got medical treatment. Shops and banks could operate normally.
Now the West has gone, Taliban are back to killing people and going back to the stone age. Girls will not be going to school. I fail to see how that is the West's fault and also wonder why you revel in it. I presume you watch ISIS videos with a latte as they denounce the evil West and its evil and decadent democracy and personal freedoms.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 15 Aug 21 10.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Valid points. ^^^ And even with my limited life-experience in the first and second Gulf Wars, you could see that there were no definable military or political targets (except oil-grabbing), and the campaign had no viable exit-strategy.

Pretty-much the same in Afghanistan, except the lack of oil. I can see some sort of secret deal brokered with the Taliban (soon to be Government), whereby they are allowed to cultivate Opium poppies in order to provide a viable (mostly-illegal) income to sustain the Afghan economy.

I'm struggling to see any strategy undertaken by Western Governments that makes any sense whatsoever.

In my view the oil meme in Iraq is a myth as it doesn't fit with what actually happened....the Iraqi government control their oil and America get their oil elsewhere anyway. But the left screamed about it so much that people became convinced and still are.

We shouldn't be concerned with how Afghanistan governs itself in future....it's likely to revert to its historical practice of a loose Taliban administration with warlords continually infighting for regional control within it.

We shouldn't be concerned because it'll be just one of numerous failed states around the world. All we need to concern ourselves with will be whether groups that wish to attack the west reside there. If they do we now have drones to attack them with instead of feet on the ground.

I'm sure a message of 'you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone' has been given. However, the movement within Islam to attack the west, is an ideology within Islam that's been around for 150 years.....and it isn't negotiable once you understand why.....unfortunately our idiot 'global village' politicians have imported this into our own country....and now the little people have to suffer periodic attacks.

As for the mistakes of trying to convert a poor mainly rural/mountainous Islamic country into a westernised democracy. Well, that was done by people ignorant of history and it cost many lives.

Those people should be held to account for that madness.....but that won't happen as elites protect their own.....it's the little people that suffer.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Aug 2021 10.46am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In my view the oil meme in Iraq is a myth as it doesn't fit with what actually happened....the Iraqi government control their oil and America get their oil elsewhere anyway. But the left screamed about it so much that people became convinced and still are.

We shouldn't be concerned with how Afghanistan governs itself in future....it's likely to revert to its historical practice of a loose Taliban administration with warlords continually infighting for regional control within it.

We shouldn't be concerned because it'll be just one of numerous failed states around the world. All we need to concern ourselves with will be whether groups that wish to attack the west reside there. If they do we now have drones to attack them with instead of feet on the ground.

I'm sure a message of 'you leave us alone and we'll leave you alone' has been given. However, the movement within Islam to attack the west, is an ideology within Islam that's been around for 150 years.....and it isn't negotiable once you understand why.....unfortunately our idiot 'global village' politicians have imported this into our own country....and now the little people have to suffer periodic attacks.

As for the mistakes of trying to convert a poor mainly rural/mountainous Islamic country into a westernised democracy. Well, that was done by people ignorant of history and it cost many lives.

Those people should be held to account for that madness.....but that won't happen as elites protect their own.....it's the little people that suffer.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Aug 2021 10.46am)

Snap just said the same thing on another thread.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 15 Aug 21 10.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Snap just said the same thing on another thread.

Yep, I think you said it first on these boards.

 


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We go in because of an al-Qaeda threat and leave and let the Taliban to walk straight in. It's the don't get involved unless you know what the end game looks like, dichotomy, and this looks horrendous.

 

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Originally posted by chris123

We go in because of an al-Qaeda threat and leave and let the Taliban to walk straight in. It's the don't get involved unless you know what the end game looks like, dichotomy, and this looks horrendous.

Yup

We should never have invaded better to make it clear that if they support attacks on the west we will bomb them back to the stone age, but it will be a limited campaign.
You kill 3000 Americans we will bomb 30,000 in retaliation and then stop.

In short you leave us alone we will do the same.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Aug 2021 11.13am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Aug 21 11.33am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup

We should never have invaded better to make it clear that if they support attacks on the west we will bomb them back to the stone age, but it will be a limited campaign.
You kill 3000 Americans we will bomb 30,000 in retaliation and then stop.

In short you leave us alone we will do the same.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Aug 2021 11.13am)

Yep. There’s no possibility of changing these countries permanently. They’re living thousands of years in the past with some new technology and weapons and won’t ever want to modernise. Unfortunately women there live in misery, even if a few here in Britain claim they choose it. Women in ‘70s Afghanistan could wear what they wanted.

 


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