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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Aug 21 10.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


Labour are a busted flush, nobody listens to them anymore, yes, you could be right regarding boris, unless someone,(richi), makes a challange over his handling of this, and the soon oncoming refugee crisis.

Its going to be interesting to see how Johnson plays it because he is already under a lot of pressure from many Tory MP's who see him as being far too 'Green', and unduly influenced by the current Mrs Johnson. The idea that they are going to swallow all that Climate change BS allied with allowing potentially 100,000's to wash up on the UK's shores is not going to happen. Johnson will either have to go very hawkish on both issues or else they will move against him. Sense that many of the new intake of MP's realise that they can actually hold their seats but only if the Tories actually start acting like a Conservative party should be acting and not the pathetic light blue social liberals they are at the moment.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Originally posted by Matov

Its going to be interesting to see how Johnson plays it because he is already under a lot of pressure from many Tory MP's who see him as being far too 'Green', and unduly influenced by the current Mrs Johnson. The idea that they are going to swallow all that Climate change BS allied with allowing potentially 100,000's to wash up on the UK's shores is not going to happen. Johnson will either have to go very hawkish on both issues or else they will move against him. Sense that many of the new intake of MP's realise that they can actually hold their seats but only if the Tories actually start acting like a Conservative party should be acting and not the pathetic light blue social liberals they are at the moment.


Yeah, politics has just got interesting again- pity those poor people in Afghanistan that are left behind!
See those poor souls falling from that plane?

 

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An interesting initial scan of the reaction to Biden's speech. Those you have been the most sycophantic to him appear the most critical whilst more than a few voices on the Right appear to be conceding that he gave a reasonable account of himself and the situation.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 16 Aug 21 10.46pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

An interesting initial scan of the reaction to Biden's speech. Those you have been the most sycophantic to him appear the most critical whilst more than a few voices on the Right appear to be conceding that he gave a reasonable account of himself and the situation.

I haven"t been that critical myself, but not praising him either. The more you read on here and paper reviewers on tv/radio, the more you realise that people just suit their agenda, as has been said on here before, and that we are all a bit hypocritical. But I agree with your point, actually nice to see people actually criticising their favoured side!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 16 Aug 21 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

An interesting initial scan of the reaction to Biden's speech. Those you have been the most sycophantic to him appear the most critical whilst more than a few voices on the Right appear to be conceding that he gave a reasonable account of himself and the situation.

Yep, I think there have been a lot of good posts from different political perspectives.

I think we all agree that our leaders have failed fundamentally here on multiple counts going back decades.

To an extent we can see that the current heads were left a pig in a poke.....However, none of them have improved the situation and the incompetence and disaster at the airport is just another bad mark against the west.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, I think there have been a lot of good posts from different political perspectives.

I think we all agree that our leaders have failed fundamentally here on multiple counts going back decades.

To an extent we can see that the current heads were left a pig in a poke.....However, none of them have improved the situation and the incompetence and disaster at the airport is just another bad mark against the west.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Aug 2021 10.55pm)


Yes, agreed. I was just thinking, imagine been just about to board the plane heading to America , 600 odd on it, and missing out as the doors close, seeing it taking off to California or where ever, then looking back at the blokes standing on jeeps with kalashnikovs strapped to them- how gutted would you be? Poor people.

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud


Yes, agreed. I was just thinking, imagine been just about to board the plane heading to America , 600 odd on it, and missing out as the doors close, seeing it taking off to California or where ever, then looking back at the blokes standing on jeeps with kalashnikovs strapped to them- how gutted would you be? Poor people.

This ex special services soldier says that the US and by extension us have thrown our people over their under the bus. Saying the failures have come from those in ivory towers.

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I agree with every word Tucker Carlson says here.

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Originally posted by croydon proud

I never thought I would see the member for Medway and the Democratic president of the USA agreeing on anything-but there it is!

There you go then. Maybe he wasn't for the lily livered rules of war and wants a reason to go back in to decapitate the taliban; not give them a black eye.
Who knows but what I have stated about freedom and dying for it has happened many times before. waterloo, WW1 WW2 Vietnam, Korea. And many before that. If I'm wrong then say so. Don't go pitching politics.
Sometimes you have to fight for what you want, not hope you get it.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 17 Aug 21 8.49am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree with every word Tucker Carlson says here.

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Nothing to add. Absolutely superb.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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A few observations.
1. Call for accountability? - Waste of time and will just put millions of pounds/dollars into the hands of PR firms and big law firms. Who was held to account for WMD / Iraq? It was just a charade. Cost millions and Bush and Blair still walked all the way to the bank.

2. The US want to walk away from Afghanistan? I don't think they will find it so easy, especially if they start seeing terrorist incidents on US soil. Also, normal people don't like seeing other innocent human beings, women and children, dying and starving or terrorized, no matter the colour of their skin. Biden might find himself doing a U turn on this to some degree. Money, support, aid, troops., just to save his sorry arse.

3. Johnson and Raab? They will distance themselves from Biden. Keep their heads down. Damage limitation mode from the British public. Taliban start up their old tricks and this could go on for years.

 


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It's hard not to feel for those who want to get the hell out of Afghanistan. Really depressing scenes. Whoever presided over the exit, it was bound to be a disaster and was naive to think that placing and propping up a Western template in the country would hold upon leaving. Still, I'm sure the billions of dollars of top notch military equipment that the Taliban now have and will use will no doubt set the ideal staging ground for future military involvement in the area. Money will flow into the right coffers as per usual.

Biden had little choice but to double down in saying how it was the right thing to do, but there's no getting away from how terrible and hapless it looks and how dispiriting it must be for the military. Then again they have routinely been used by governments for decades. The faux reverence shown towards them is a veneer, whereas the disinterest towards them after their service is more much in line with how the ruling classes actually view and value them.

 

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