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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 17 Oct 21 1.57pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Months ago I criticised The Guardian for its disgracefully dishonest front page story about the Chancellor. Today it's their friends at The Observer. Their front page headline contains the words "Sunak split with PM over climate", and the first sentence of the item refers to "an extraordinary rift" between the two men. Goodness me, this sounds serious. But read on.

All that has happened is that Treasury officials have written a paper, as is their job, looking at the economic implications of moving to a zero-carbon economy, and it suggests that "Climate action in the UK can lead to economic activity moving abroad if it leads to costs increasing". As is well known, the Treasury objects to spending any money on anything, so their caution comes as no surprise.

But what about "the extraordinary rift" between Chancellor and PM. The only mention of the PM is to point out that he will be hosting the Cop26 meeting. And if anyone gets to the end of the article (page 13), they will read the following Treasury statement: "The government is committed to tackling climate change, and the PM has set out an ambitious 10-point plan to help us achieve that. The Treasury is playing a crucial role in this effort, etc." Some rift!

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 17 Oct 21 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

But the headline made you read the article. And maybe glanced at at the accompanying adverts. Reading the article is not the money shot, the money was getting you potentially exposed to more advertising. Job done.

And they did it by lying. Or misleading. Media does it everywhere. From The Sun, to The Economist.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Oct 2021 2.19pm)

 


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Originally posted by JRW2

Months ago I criticised The Guardian for its disgracefully dishonest front page story about the Chancellor. Today it's their friends at The Observer. Their front page headline contains the words "Sunak split with PM over climate", and the first sentence of the item refers to "an extraordinary rift" between the two men. Goodness me, this sounds serious. But read on.

All that has happened is that Treasury officials have written a paper, as is their job, looking at the economic implications of moving to a zero-carbon economy, and it suggests that "Climate action in the UK can lead to economic activity moving abroad if it leads to costs increasing". As is well known, the Treasury objects to spending any money on anything, so their caution comes as no surprise.

But what about "the extraordinary rift" between Chancellor and PM. The only mention of the PM is to point out that he will be hosting the Cop26 meeting. And if anyone gets to the end of the article (page 13), they will read the following Treasury statement: "The government is committed to tackling climate change, and the PM has set out an ambitious 10-point plan to help us achieve that. The Treasury is playing a crucial role in this effort, etc." Some rift!

I believe Sir Humphrey referred to this as "operation Hair shirt" whilst we beat ourselves up the rest of the world signs any old climate protocol and then ignores it.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Oct 21 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I watch GB News. It's far more honest and forthright than other outlets.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 17 Oct 21 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I watch GB News. It's far more honest and forthright than other outlets.

Yep agreed, if a little too left wing for me.

 


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Think you two are the only ones left watching it judging by the viewing figures

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 21 5.35pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Think you two are the only ones left watching it judging by the viewing figures

Whatever keeps people keyed into something at least half mainstream and connected to society rather than going completely off piste is alright with me.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 17 Oct 21 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Whatever keeps people keyed into something at least half mainstream and connected to society rather than going completely off piste is alright with me.

Mmmmm.

The mainstream is leading into the ocean without a life jacket.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 21 10.05pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmm.

The mainstream is leading into the ocean without a life jacket.

To my mind GB News 'are' part of the mainstream, albeit, not an especially popular part at this time. Going off piste and out of the mainstream is fine as long as it stays within the law, and/or isn't a path leading to places populated by those who have little endlessly tricky for authorities regardless of whether it's islamic, far left or far right types under the microscope.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2021 10.06pm)

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2021 10.06pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

To my mind GB News 'are' part of the mainstream, albeit, not an especially popular part at this time. Going off piste and out of the mainstream is fine as long as it stays within the law, and/or isn't a path leading to places populated by those who have little endlessly tricky for authorities regardless of whether it's islamic, far left or far right types under the microscope.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2021 10.06pm)

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2021 10.06pm)

I've gone over all this with you but it's a different world from your perspective. That's cool, I've no desire to waffle on about stuff that looks inevitable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2021 10.16pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've gone over all this with you but it's a different world from your perspective. That's cool, I've no desire to waffle on about stuff that looks inevitable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2021 10.16pm)

I'm not looking to buy into 'inevitable war' narratives really. That is a core component (weirdly along with physical training camps) of both Islamic and far right troubling detachments from society. As tough as life gets its important to try to combine sensible policies (tougher immigration policy for instance) with efforts to make the best of communities. There is little choice but to do our best as things are. We're not ever going to be removing races or religions from the country. That's the reality.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

I'm not looking to buy into 'inevitable war' narratives really. That is a core component (weirdly along with physical training camps) of both Islamic and far right troubling detachments from society. As tough as life gets its important to try to combine sensible policies (tougher immigration policy for instance) with efforts to make the best of communities. There is little choice but to do our best as things are. We're not ever going to be removing races or religions from the country. That's the reality.

Your final two sentences are accurate, however your arrogant cartoonist understandings of what I think are irritating to say the least. Go and bother someone else.

 


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