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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 09 Nov 21 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We can't reverse climate change. We can only reduce our impact on it.
It's happening no matter what.

What we can do is protect our island from being over run by illegal migrants.

Bring them in legally, do it all by the book and we can get them all working, paying tax and contributing from day 1. Win-win for everyone!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 09 Nov 21 12.51pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It would be a rather foolish policy to hope for a sudden reduction in human population. Population should level off at some point, but far too late to avoid disastrous consequences.

The main concern now should be protecting our Island.

Of course, we should be moving away from fossil fuels and investing in renewable, clean energy. Sadly China and other developing countries are unlikely to do so.

China will always lag, until the time comes where renewables are more cost effective for business than fossil fields anyway (a day which is thankfully fast approaching). We've just got to get on with it anyway really because if we always waited for the last in line to act on everything, nothing would ever get done.

As for immigration or asylum, I think it's reasonable to take in a certain number each year, but as we're an Island it's reasonable for that to factor in. It's perfectly fair to not want an ever spiraling (upwards) population.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 21 12.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It would be a rather foolish policy to hope for a sudden reduction in human population. Population should level off at some point, but far too late to avoid disastrous consequences.

The main concern now should be protecting our Island.

Of course, we should be moving away from fossil fuels and investing in renewable, clean energy. Sadly China and other developing countries are unlikely to do so.

Whenever you write these kinds of posts, I know what's coming. Lots of doom and calls for action but never a word about any sort of practical, achievable solution.

Population increase is only part of the reason for man made warming. It's much more to do with our lifestyles and expectations, and those can be adapted. They already are.

I agree though that climate change is inevitable. Even if the reduction targets are met, which seems improbable, we are going to face a significant warming which will have some big consequences. Achieving the target is really important, as without doing so we face a potential catastrophe, but we also need to attend, just as urgently, to preparing for the inevitable consequences of the warming we know will happen. This doesn't yet appear to receive much attention.

We might live on an island, but the world today doesn't reflect that. It is simply unrealistic to expect we can raise the drawbridge, retreat to our castle and leave the besieging hordes to starve outside our walls. More likely, we would starve inside.

We have no choice other than to tackle these problems with our neighbours, and together we must do that at source. We need to find ways to stop the "hordes" wanting to invade us because there is no need to do so. People don't leave their homelands through choice. They only do so through necessity.

It will be near to impossible anyway, but Brexit has made this much, much harder to accomplish. Great result all round.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 09 Nov 21 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whenever you write these kinds of posts, I know what's coming. Lots of doom and calls for action but never a word about any sort of practical, achievable solution.

Population increase is only part of the reason for man made warming. It's much more to do with our lifestyles and expectations, and those can be adapted. They already are.

I agree though that climate change is inevitable. Even if the reduction targets are met, which seems improbable, we are going to face a significant warming which will have some big consequences. Achieving the target is really important, as without doing so we face a potential catastrophe, but we also need to attend, just as urgently, to preparing for the inevitable consequences of the warming we know will happen. This doesn't yet appear to receive much attention.

We might live on an island, but the world today doesn't reflect that. It is simply unrealistic to expect we can raise the drawbridge, retreat to our castle and leave the besieging hordes to starve outside our walls. More likely, we would starve inside.

We have no choice other than to tackle these problems with our neighbours, and together we must do that at source. We need to find ways to stop the "hordes" wanting to invade us because there is no need to do so. People don't leave their homelands through choice. They only do so through necessity.

It will be near to impossible anyway, but Brexit has made this much, much harder to accomplish. Great result all round.

We should advertise the wonders of the EU member countries through which they pass in order to get here.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 09 Nov 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Not win-win for workers who wages come under pressure because of others who are willing to work for substantially less.

Having said that, we seem to have plenty of people in the UK who just won't work if they it's not a job they like, they need to be incentivised to get into work.

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Bring them in legally, do it all by the book and we can get them all working, paying tax and contributing from day 1. Win-win for everyone!

 


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When conceited septuagenarians opine , best to ignore.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Nov 21 1.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whenever you write these kinds of posts, I know what's coming. Lots of doom and calls for action but never a word about any sort of practical, achievable solution.

Population increase is only part of the reason for man made warming. It's much more to do with our lifestyles and expectations, and those can be adapted. They already are.

I agree though that climate change is inevitable. Even if the reduction targets are met, which seems improbable, we are going to face a significant warming which will have some big consequences. Achieving the target is really important, as without doing so we face a potential catastrophe, but we also need to attend, just as urgently, to preparing for the inevitable consequences of the warming we know will happen. This doesn't yet appear to receive much attention.

We might live on an island, but the world today doesn't reflect that. It is simply unrealistic to expect we can raise the drawbridge, retreat to our castle and leave the besieging hordes to starve outside our walls. More likely, we would starve inside.

We have no choice other than to tackle these problems with our neighbours, and together we must do that at source. We need to find ways to stop the "hordes" wanting to invade us because there is no need to do so. People don't leave their homelands through choice. They only do so through necessity.

It will be near to impossible anyway, but Brexit has made this much, much harder to accomplish. Great result all round.


I don't usually bother to respond to you but since I started the thread I feel obliged in this case.

Of course increasing population is the primary driver in man made environmental issues. To suggest otherwise is potty.

There is no doom and gloom, only reality. As we know, you have no grasp of that.

We need to prepare for the inevitable by stopping migrants entering Europe. They don't migrate out of necessity in many instances. That is another one of your fantasies.

Brexit has nothing to do with it. It will have no bearing on any agreement that is made in future, and no effect on how we defend the borders of Britain.
This is not some medieval siege. We have the means to deter migrants without any effect on the supply of resources.

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 09 Nov 21 2.05pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Climate change is generated exclusively by population explosion. Globally we have tripled in the last 80 years. This is never spoken about at any level at global meetings or the press.
Until we accept this major issue and alter it with some hard hitting decisions the world will remain in turmoil.
So the world will remain in turmoil and for that reason if we want to protect this island then Hrolf is right.

Edited by dreamwaverider (09 Nov 2021 10.54am)

We need WWIII to get the population down.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Nov 21 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whenever you write these kinds of posts, I know what's coming. Lots of doom and calls for action but never a word about any sort of practical, achievable solution.

Population increase is only part of the reason for man made warming. It's much more to do with our lifestyles and expectations, and those can be adapted. They already are.

I agree though that climate change is inevitable. Even if the reduction targets are met, which seems improbable, we are going to face a significant warming which will have some big consequences. Achieving the target is really important, as without doing so we face a potential catastrophe, but we also need to attend, just as urgently, to preparing for the inevitable consequences of the warming we know will happen. This doesn't yet appear to receive much attention.

We might live on an island, but the world today doesn't reflect that. It is simply unrealistic to expect we can raise the drawbridge, retreat to our castle and leave the besieging hordes to starve outside our walls. More likely, we would starve inside.

We have no choice other than to tackle these problems with our neighbours, and together we must do that at source. We need to find ways to stop the "hordes" wanting to invade us because there is no need to do so. People don't leave their homelands through choice. They only do so through necessity.

It will be near to impossible anyway, but Brexit has made this much, much harder to accomplish. Great result all round.

And I donít even read your posts. And there in bold is why.

 


COYP

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Nov 21 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

We need WWIII to get the population down.

Is all progress perfect?

 


COYP

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 09 Nov 21 3.03pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Bring them in legally, do it all by the book and we can get them all working, paying tax and contributing from day 1. Win-win for everyone!

Yes, I was going to ask can any of them drive , pick fruit and veg-even rotting fruit, carve up a pig, wipe an old persons bottom, or serve ale in Brexit Tims Witherspoons? If the answer is yes to any of the above, get them on the next plane over, and like Sir Geoffrey and his Carribean jaunt, no need to isolate in a crummy hotel room! The more the merrier, especially if we want pigs in blankets( maybe not) and turkey this christmas!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 09 Nov 21 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Yes, I was going to ask can any of them drive , pick fruit and veg-even rotting fruit, carve up a pig, wipe an old persons bottom, or serve ale in Brexit Tims Witherspoons? If the answer is yes to any of the above, get them on the next plane over, and like Sir Geoffrey and his Carribean jaunt, no need to isolate in a crummy hotel room! The more the merrier, especially if we want pigs in blankets( maybe not) and turkey this christmas!

Yeah anything to keep the shirkers or unintentionally long term unemployed twiddling their thumbs.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 09 Nov 21 3.15pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yeah anything to keep the shirkers or unintentionally long term unemployed twiddling their thumbs.

The crisis is so big mate we can get them working to!

 

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