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View scarlet's Profile scarlet Flag NZ 11 Nov 21 10.30am Send a Private Message to scarlet Add scarlet as a friend

Palace have been chronic under achievers for most of their history. I'm putting it out there to the universe - time to even up the balance sheet, We've got the coach, the players and the fans to do it. So instead of talking about what we talk about every season - will we avoid relegation how about we entertain the possibility...

 

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View Noz's Profile Noz Flag North Hampshire 11 Nov 21 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Noz Add Noz as a friend

I think the issue here is that we don't have the depth of squad to enable us to compete in Europe without implicating our stability in the Premier League.

We do not have the luxury of the "Top 6" clubs, who generally have a like for like replacement for any of their first 11.

Much as I'd love us to get to Europe, I think it would be deleterious to our status in the premier league, and we are not currently ready for it.

 

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 11 Nov 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by scarlet

Palace have been chronic under achievers for most of their history. I'm putting it out there to the universe - time to even up the balance sheet, We've got the coach, the players and the fans to do it. So instead of talking about what we talk about every season - will we avoid relegation how about we entertain the possibility...

Theoretically possible on current form but we've been blessed by almost zero injuries and we're yet to show that we can win the 6 pointers against teams around our level - just Wolves so far. And I'm nervous about how well our high tempo style will last down a full season.

It's a fairly thin squad still and in most spots there is fair step down in quality the moment we lose a starter - especially at the back. Take a look at Leeds this season and Southampton last time out to see what can happen if you lose a couple of key players.

 

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No.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 11 Nov 21 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

2 wins in a row and some get carried away. Maybe there not used to it.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 11 Nov 21 1.23pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

More like, do we want to do it? Don't get me wrong, it would be wonderful for Palace to be up there with the big boys, but unless we have the financial clout to develop a strong squad of players we could find ourselves struggling with the intensity and number of games Europe involves.

I think, at the moment anyway, I'd prefer to see us consolidate our position in the top half of the PL rather than play in Europe and then find ourselves being drawn into a relegation battle because of injuries or tired limbs in a limited squad.

A Cup run is different and I would love to see us in a Wembley final again.

 


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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 11 Nov 21 1.31pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Second that! Every time fans of various clubs approach the top 4-5-6 and talk about Europe, the losses start coming. More than happy to consolidate our Premier League status and have a go in the cups.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Nov 21 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Noz

I think the issue here is that we don't have the depth of squad to enable us to compete in Europe without implicating our stability in the Premier League.

We do not have the luxury of the "Top 6" clubs, who generally have a like for like replacement for any of their first 11.

Much as I'd love us to get to Europe, I think it would be deleterious to our status in the premier league, and we are not currently ready for it.

This old chestnut is dragged out every year when there is a possibility of European football & I actually don't disagree too much with the sentiment.
My take on it would be that we would be thrown in at the 'qualifying' stages so rather than sending our first team squad to play Carshalton, Charlton or the likes we should treat these
European games as at worse pre season friendlies albeit with possibly better opposition & at best a good opportunity to be playing some of the bigger European teams later on in the season.

 


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View CT Charlie's Profile CT Charlie Flag 11 Nov 21 2.04pm Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

As a relatively new fan, I'm wondering this: in what ways have we been under-achievers?

 

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View roman eagle's Profile roman eagle Flag South London 11 Nov 21 2.20pm Send a Private Message to roman eagle Add roman eagle as a friend

In two minds about this - one side of me says -yes please, an adventure in Europe would be brilliant. The cautious side says - I don't think we're ready, the squad isn't big enough etc. Anyway, we're a long way off qualifying yet - let's see how the season pans out.

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 11 Nov 21 2.44pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by CT Charlie

As a relatively new fan, I'm wondering this: in what ways have we been under-achievers?

I'm on season #56 so I'll try to answer this !

I think IF we have under-achieved it's usually because this football clubs most reliable shooting has been in it's own foot.

Best to Google for more in depth detail, but we have had a series of owners, starting with Ray Bloye in the 70's, that have failed the club. In some cases just as it appeared that success was around the corner.

Steve Parish has his detractors on here, but trust me, he is far and away the best man we have had and his track record bears that statement out. He's made mistakes like anybody would, but generally learned from them.

So then if you look at our achievements v. our South London rivals.

Charlton - in all the years I've supported Palace, this lot have had the upper hand on us for only a few of them. They are now so far behind us, the gap has never been wider.
Millwall - usually way in our shadow. They did achieve European football by virtue of losing in the FA Cup Final. That's one thing we have yet to achieve ( the European football bit ). There's no money in that club, and they don't come across as an attractive investment.
Wimbledon - had their spell in the sun and over-achieved. For a time we were in their shadow, but they've had similar ownership issues to us.

Looking to the future, and the original question, those of my generation will be wary of getting ahead of ourselves after a few favourable results. But the club is looking healthier than it has for many years. The building blocks are in place to achieve Europa League football and personally, I would love to see us compete in Europe properly for the first time. I wonder how we'll f*ck it up ?

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 11 Nov 21 3.15pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Being of the same generation as Neillo I tend to agree with all he has said. For me this season, I want to see:
1. Our new style under PV prove it is sustainable through to the season's end and PV and his team still here at the season's end.
2. To finish the season in the top half (8th 0r 9th would be nice - NOT 7th - don't want to waste our time in the new mickey-mouse European competition which should never have been allowed with the climate crisis as it is).
3. A good cup run
4. Eze to come back as good as he was and Ferguson to get fit and prove to be the defender we hoped he would be
5. 2 or 3 of our best youngsters to get opportunities off the bench.

So please Santa, do oblige

 

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