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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 22 7.01pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How many of you know who Raymond Weber is?

In 2021, Weber, a 31-year-old Black male, live-streamed himself on Facebook with murdered two White girls, one of them 15, that he had just shot in the head.

It's taken them till recently to set a date for his trial, and the media haven't made any huge racial narrative or any other narrative about it. It's been kept relatively quiet.

However, if this had been a white guy murdering two black girls on a Facebook stream you'd know about wouldn't you. You'd be hearing about racism and 'marginised groups' three ways to Sunday.

Also, because Facebook is a social media platform that the powers that be find useful they are spared from the same attention and criticism that a platform like Parler or Twitter today would get if a murder had been livestreamed on their platform.

Perhaps some people should reflect on why an 83-year-old British woman asking another women whose running a charity focused on black woman where she is from is something you know about whereas you'd never even heard of Weber.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2022 8.07am)

You are right. I had never heard of him. The surprise is that you have.

Why? Because this happened in the USA, where such events rarely make the news here. Your assertions about why we don't know, made without evidence, are totally ridiculous. The idea that the colour of someone's skin affects the way their crime is reported might fit with the worldview you constantly peddle here, but this "white victim" stance you adopt is really quite offensive. I doubt you understand why though.

This is a thread about Conservative incompetence. How is that impacted by these murders.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Dec 22 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

George Floyd anyone?

The willful blindness is astounding sometimes.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Dec 22 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

George Floyd anyone?

The willful blindness is astounding sometimes.

A white person asking any non white person, in attire not common or native to the white majority country they are in, where they are from = evidence the greatest tragedy in history of a world dictated and characterised by racist white people.

Non white person murders two white children and films the entire thing = nothing to do with anything.

The key to understanding this is not to think objectively, for yourself or at all really, should know that by now Stirling. An Orwellian nightmare indeed.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Dec 22 10.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

A white person asking any non white person, in attire not common or native to the white majority country they are in, where they are from = evidence the greatest tragedy in history of a world dictated and characterised by racist white people.

Non white person murders two white children and films the entire thing = nothing to do with anything.

The key to understanding this is not to think objectively, for yourself or at all really, should know that by now Stirling. An Orwellian nightmare indeed.

The twists and turns these people have to make just boggles the mind. They come out with more tripe than a Scottish haggis.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2022 10.41pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 22 11.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

George Floyd anyone?

The willful blindness is astounding sometimes.

It wasn't George Floyd who made the headlines here!

It was the reaction to it and then the analysis of why that reaction happened and where it led.

These murders, awful as they are, are not in the same category. The guy is probably mentally disturbed in some way, as that's the only logical explanation for such behaviour. That he has a coloured skin is besides the point. They certainly haven't provoked a widespread reaction.

George Floyd's death, the way it occurred and the reaction to it, has to be seen in a wider context than the single event. It was the culmination of decades of pent up anger because of discriminatory treatment.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 22 11.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

A white person asking any non white person, in attire not common or native to the white majority country they are in, where they are from = evidence the greatest tragedy in history of a world dictated and characterised by racist white people.

Non white person murders two white children and films the entire thing = nothing to do with anything.

The key to understanding this is not to think objectively, for yourself or at all really, should know that by now Stirling. An Orwellian nightmare indeed.

Asking the question might be considered impolite by some, but isn't racist. What is, is not accepting the answers and continuing to harass to try and confirm a clear bias. Something Lady Hussey herself has recognised and apologised for, even if others believe she had no need to.

Anybody who murders two children, films the result and then posts it on Facebook has to be deranged in some way. There is no other logical explanation. His skin colour has no bearing on it, other than to those who seek to build divisions between people that ought not be built.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Dec 2022 11.30pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Dec 22 11.23pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn't George Floyd who made the headlines here!

It was the reaction to it and then the analysis of why that reaction happened and where it led.

These murders, awful as they are, are not in the same category. The guy is probably mentally disturbed in some way, as that's the only logical explanation for such behaviour. That he has a coloured skin is besides the point. They certainly haven't provoked a widespread reaction.

George Floyd's death, the way it occurred and the reaction to it, has to be seen in a wider context than the single event. It was the culmination of decades of pent up anger because of discriminatory treatment.

Didn't seem to bother the Senegal players too much tonight. They didn't "take the knee". They just stood and watched the England players do it.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 22 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Didn't seem to bother the Senegal players too much tonight. They didn't "take the knee". They just stood and watched the England players do it.

I really don't get your point!

Not everyone joins in protests, or protests in the same way. That England does one thing, and Senegal doesn't is entirely their choice.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Dec 22 11.55pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I really don't get your point!

Not everyone joins in protests, or protests in the same way. That England does one thing, and Senegal doesn't is entirely their choice.

Maybe be virtue signalling has no currency in Senegal.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Dec 22 8.50am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Asking the question might be considered impolite by some, but isn't racist. What is, is not accepting the answers and continuing to harass to try and confirm a clear bias. Something Lady Hussey herself has recognised and apologised for, even if others believe she had no need to.

Anybody who murders two children, films the result and then posts it on Facebook has to be deranged in some way. There is no other logical explanation. His skin colour has no bearing on it, other than to those who seek to build divisions between people that ought not be built.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Dec 2022 11.30pm)

I'd highlight but the ridiculousness and idiocy is consistent with every word.

It's not about the action, or alleged actions, it's about the narrative and assumed intention surrounding it.

1. 'Not accepting the answer'. The question almost definitely was not inferring that her skin colour did not constitute 'British/Englishness', it was almost certainly regarding her attire which by definition was not English/British. That is barely an anecdote let alone newsworthy. I implore any 'white English/British' person to move to I don't know, Japan, or even better a small village in Africa somewhere, attend an event with their upper class donning a beefeater costume, or England Rugby kit, and then try to sell the story to the media of the horrendous racist ordeal they suffered when asked 'where they were from' when only giving the name of where they currently resided (somewhere in Japan or Africa). Even then, just being white may be enough but it's enough to distinguish you from the majority at said event, and any question of this nature should not be pre-determined in it's motive or even offensive. I was born in Lewisham hospital and spent all my young life there. If, with two Irish parents, I chose to venture out and mingle with royalty et al dressed as a leprechaun, with a died ginger beard, carrying a shillelagh, any inference that I was something other than English would be expected and I would not repeatedly answer 'Lewisham' when questioning arrives due to the nature of my get up, that's common sense, unless of course I was angling for something to fit my narrative no matter how ridiculous.

2. The suggestion that Lady Hussey has any idea or had any intention to apologise is an uninformed assumption at best. To suggest that she was briefed, informed and obliged to as a result of her actions not aligning to the current zeitgeist/narrative is almost guaranteed regardless of her awareness.

3. A person murdering two children on a live streamed event is horrific and said individual is, again by definition, not accepted within society. Whether they have a diagnosable mental illness or are just extremely callous and driven by ulterior motives is yet to be seen however possible. Thank you for the diagnosis of 'deranged' however doctor, the insight you offer into the human mind is revolutionary.

Soooooo, to summarise, thank you for clarifying and providing a textbook example for my initial point from the first post - that the narrative surrounding both instances is racially driven. The first, an extremely mild lack of alignment to the current narrative at best, is a conclusion based upon illogical and bias determined parameters with no movement for further context or explanation as the guilty party is white and the aggrieved is not. This is headline news. The second example however is horrific crime, unimaginable to any decent human being, however as the guilty party is not white, and although the victims were, we must not even entertain the thought it could be racially motivated as this does not align with the current narrative.

Your subscription to this zeitgeist/narrative is the most perfect example of somebody seeking to 'build divisions between people that ought not be built'. It's actually quite staggering. A horrific murder is newsworthy. An awkward, poorly socially navigated interaction is not. The latter is in the news however and the former has no coverage. Any individual regardless any other identifier is able to question and probably answer as to why this is, provided they have 2 brain cells to rub together. Unfortunately, many do not, as you have exhibited.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Dec 22 9.25am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You go to speakers corner and opine about

Have you swallowed Willo's thesaurus

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 05 Dec 22 9.28am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Have you swallowed Willo's thesaurus

Clearly thinking on the hoof. I didn’t even Google the meaning; for a change! I just guessed and yes probably remember it from the said posters threads, bless him

 

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