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View uncleneal's Profile uncleneal Flag Croydon 18 Dec 21 11.26pm Send a Private Message to uncleneal Add uncleneal as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I haven’t played Sunday league football for over 35 years and my body is still a mess

Used to love heading their goal kick after Palace/Joiners/Blue Orchid the day before!

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 19 Dec 21 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

With the games coming thick and fast and the lack of depth within the squad, sure we will be knackered. Unlike Chelsea who have a massive squad and have just tried to call their game off against Wolves, because 4 x first team players are out.

Would they have wanted to call it off if the boot was on the other foot and Wolves had a depleted squad and they played with a full strength team?

We should have played against Watford yesterday and they should have been forced to play the best 11 they had available….

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 19 Dec 21 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

IMO the modern professional footballer is now much more of an athlete than they ever have been before. Even when you look back at the footballers of the 90's. Even the greats of Le Tissier and Gazza, although they have the talent, I doubt would get anywhere near a current Prem team based on fitness alone. I think the modern footballer is fine tuned to the limit to get every possible fitness advantage out of them but I suspect in doing that they are pushed closer to the injury threshold and thus why they need to be protected more. (Conversely we also see now injury layoffs being much shorter due to sports science etc).

As for clubs calling off games due to Covid running through their squads, of course I do not say they should not take precautionary steps etc. but in reality these clubs have Development squads and academies etc. If they are U23 they do not have to be registered in Prem squad lists so why can't clubs just make up their matchday squads with players from these? As a fan I'd welcome seeing games go ahead but with new young players being given an opportunity.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 19 Dec 21 3.59pm Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I think the answer as to why they dont just rely on in house resources ( reserves / U23 etc) to fill the matchday squad (however entertaining it might be) really comes down to how much money is sloshing around in the Premier League & its participants & no one wants to be one of the teams that underperformed & got relegated.

Originally posted by Mwncisee

IMO the modern professional footballer is now much more of an athlete than they ever have been before. Even when you look back at the footballers of the 90's. Even the greats of Le Tissier and Gazza, although they have the talent, I doubt would get anywhere near a current Prem team based on fitness alone. I think the modern footballer is fine tuned to the limit to get every possible fitness advantage out of them but I suspect in doing that they are pushed closer to the injury threshold and thus why they need to be protected more. (Conversely we also see now injury layoffs being much shorter due to sports science etc).

As for clubs calling off games due to Covid running through their squads, of course I do not say they should not take precautionary steps etc. but in reality these clubs have Development squads and academies etc. If they are U23 they do not have to be registered in Prem squad lists so why can't clubs just make up their matchday squads with players from these? As a fan I'd welcome seeing games go ahead but with new young players being given an opportunity.

 

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View Wilbraham413's Profile Wilbraham413 Flag 21 Dec 21 3.09am Send a Private Message to Wilbraham413 Add Wilbraham413 as a friend

The thing that gets me is people saying Gallagher can take over a spot in Chelsea's midfield, and at the same time, he was exhausted playing against So'ton. He's 21 years old, and with Chelsea, he would be expected to play PL and CL matches in the same week, all the time.

If he needs a 7+ day recovery from every match, he's not going to be a regular for Chelsea.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 21 Dec 21 9.02am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

I dont pay much attention to Chelsea or their team selections -
But I would imagine that they have aspirations of being able to compete in the latter stages of every cup competition that they are in -

Maybe thats 60 / 65 odd games a season ? (Perhaps someone could confirm ?)

If CG goes back to Chelsea - his age will certainly be taken into account as will the sports science / recovery data that follows these players almost continually these days.

They will have alternative players available in every position- so the big question is really - will CG be in the main PL squad with CL games when available ( Injuries & suspensions permitting)
Or will he be in the back up squad playing U23 & domestic cup games whilst hoping for a breakthrough into the main squad & if he is going to be in the back up squad is that going to be enough for him ? or would he be better suited staying at Palace for another year & returning to Chelsea when he is another year older , stronger , fitter & more capable of dealing with the rigours of a heavy PL / CL season.

I dont have to even think about which one I would prefer for him.


Originally posted by Wilbraham413

The thing that gets me is people saying Gallagher can take over a spot in Chelsea's midfield, and at the same time, he was exhausted playing against So'ton. He's 21 years old, and with Chelsea, he would be expected to play PL and CL matches in the same week, all the time.

If he needs a 7+ day recovery from every match, he's not going to be a regular for Chelsea.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 21 Dec 21 9.13am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

The thing that gets me is people saying Gallagher can take over a spot in Chelsea's midfield, and at the same time, he was exhausted playing against So'ton. He's 21 years old, and with Chelsea, he would be expected to play PL and CL matches in the same week, all the time.

If he needs a 7+ day recovery from every match, he's not going to be a regular for Chelsea.

I wouldn't say he was knackered all game, just flagging a bit by the end. Given his style, that's not a surprise.

That doesn't mean he needs 7 days of recovery, but it could mean that he over exerted himself in 1 of those games.

Either way, they bigger the club the more resources. So he could have been given the last 20 mins of the Southampton game off. With us, we have nobody even close to his level so he has to play every minute.

(side note, I'm surprised that in both games Eze wasn't given a spin to give CG a break)

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 21 Dec 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

So when CG goes back to Chelsea pretty much the first thing he is going to want to know (at the appropriate time) is he named in the 25 man squad ?

If they don't have room for him in the 25 man squad then its pointless him being there.


(Presumably he will be 22 by the time that next season comes around)

 

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View Pierre's Profile Pierre Flag Purley 22 Dec 21 3.54pm Send a Private Message to Pierre Add Pierre as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Just out of interest, where did you get your sports science degree from?

You are obviously much more knowledgeable than all the top coaches, who think that their players need some rest after the the rigors of premier league football.

Even after Sunday league football your body is a mess for a couple of days after games.

These top finely tuned pro athletes have access to top diets, the best coaches, medical advice and exercise regimes. Training grounds have ice baths, state of the art equipment, indoor facilities, saunas and some even have sleep pods!
Club squads are now bigger but most managers choose to play the same players most of the time (smaller clubs by choice).

Compared with Sat or Sun League soccer this is now light years ahead in comparison! However these guys are the cream and are very well paid for what they do.
'Television' now calls the tune, dictates when and how often they perform and 'television pays the money'
Everything else is secondary (except fans of course who pretty much come last these days)!!!
Perhaps it's the simulation and rolling around that makes them all so tired in between games?

I remember being battered and bruised after football each week for 2 days at least in most places (not all through combat as sometimes it was just the appalling state of some of the pitches).

Sometimes your knees had just recovered before they got another beating the very next week, or you incurred another dead leg on the same side, another knee in the back and so on!

Also there was none of this poncey simulation in those days and rolling around all the time partly due to the fact that on some grounds you wanted to spend as little time on the ground as possible due to the distinct possibility of hoovering up dog sh*t!

As for the rigours of a premier league player-
With the amount of time wasting that is now permitted within the game the overall amount of personal effort these players put into a game is diminishing.

I would much rather see a football match played over 2 halves of 30 minutes of the ball actually in play (clock stopped whenever the ball is not in play).

That would make games last a lot longer, be much better value and make them more of a spectacle for fans.



 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 24 Dec 21 6.47am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Pep Guardiola: Man City boss raises prospect of strike but does not think it would happen (BBC headline)

Personally, I think the idea of a player strike is pretty appalling. Yes, there is a period of intense fixture congestion, but this is why the squads are so big. Even Palace could field two competitive 11’s. Premier League players are paid an absolute fortune to do the job all kids dreamed of. They have such little stress compared with your average city worker commuting into town, working 10 hours, 5 days a week to age 65, to repay the mortgage and put food on the table for the family.

Guardiola needs to get real and realise what a privileged position he and his players are in. He’s got a mega squad of stars so should use it. A player strike would go down like a sh1t sandwich.

Edited by Goal Machine (24 Dec 2021 6.48am)

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 26 Dec 21 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by dg1937

My son did sports science at Bath (a top Uni for that sort of thing) he said as we were walking to the game that he thought the Palace players would be 'running through treacle' and Southampton's extra day of recovery time would be a definite advantage.

I've been watching Palace since the 1960s and the game has changed out of all recognition since then in terms of the intensity of effort.

I also asked him about Zaha's loss of pace, his comments on that did not make for great hearing but belong on a different thread.

Would you be prepared to share this in this thread ? I'm not going to join in the Zaha slag fest but he certainly seems to have lost the desire to drive with the ball or try to beat a player. Is it simply that, at twenty nine, he's on the way down and has lost the critical half a yard ?

We'd already lost when he got his marching orders today IMO.


 

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