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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 2.46pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

So mention privatising the NHS and loads go in to melt down about care at point of need etc etc. The NHS is too big to fail but to big to succeed. It is an inefficient dinosaur wasting money and not fulfilling its potential. (CP this isn't about the recent dosh ) Most staff are wonderful people with caring being the prime reason for working in said NHS.
Wages are paid for the job they do rightly or wrongly but that is a matter of opinion. Now that's out of the way I think there are parts of it which would benefit from being privatised. There are too many chiefs and not enough Indians for a start.
(figure of speech before; you know.....).
Anyhow I'm not a business man but some learned people on here and within our society could prove these points no doubt with facts and figures. Alongside less wastage, less crap staff, possible better wages, savings to hmg whichever colour could and would be made.
Any ideas because whenever it's mentioned the BMA rock up to Russel square for a march and any suggestion is put to bed.

 

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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag glorious Goring by sea 12 Jan 22 3.22pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So mention privatising the NHS and loads go in to melt down about care at point of need etc etc. The NHS is too big to fail but to big to succeed. It is an inefficient dinosaur wasting money and not fulfilling its potential. (CP this isn't about the recent dosh ) Most staff are wonderful people with caring being the prime reason for working in said NHS.
Wages are paid for the job they do rightly or wrongly but that is a matter of opinion. Now that's out of the way I think there are parts of it which would benefit from being privatised. There are too many chiefs and not enough Indians for a start.
(figure of speech before; you know.....).
Anyhow I'm not a business man but some learned people on here and within our society could prove these points no doubt with facts and figures. Alongside less wastage, less crap staff, possible better wages, savings to hmg whichever colour could and would be made.
Any ideas because whenever it's mentioned the BMA rock up to Russel square for a march and any suggestion is put to bed.

absolutely.
I worked as a contractor in many NHS properties.
the amount of £££ spunked on trivial schemes & tinpot ideas is atrocious.
Ive seen large waste containers the size of a bungalow, full of reasonably new office furniture, chairs etc as they 'no longer complied'
painted whole corridors 100s yds long, to re-do it all again a year later as the 'focus colour' had changed.
i could go on..

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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View the.universal's Profile the.universal 12 Jan 22 3.34pm Send a Private Message to the.universal Add the.universal as a friend

Public sector inefficiency or private sector profit. You pay for either system.

Generally I am pro-business but I donít believe certain utilities can ever really be privatised. Take the railways - heads the private companies win, tails they donít lose - just hand it back if isnít making money.

Risk of going bust is a key motivator for private sector firms. Feck it up and you are toast. Without that incentive they are not truly private companies.

Regarding privatising the NHS, I canít see it providing much benefit. For sure it is inefficient but if you look at the US, which is mainly done on an insurance basis is also full of inefficiency. Care is massively over-specced, drugs over-prescribed, just to make money, not for any health benefits. Also their system is much less fair than ours.

 


Vive le Roy!

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 5.31pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by the.universal

Public sector inefficiency or private sector profit. You pay for either system.

Generally I am pro-business but I donít believe certain utilities can ever really be privatised. Take the railways - heads the private companies win, tails they donít lose - just hand it back if isnít making money.

Risk of going bust is a key motivator for private sector firms. Feck it up and you are toast. Without that incentive they are not truly private companies.

Regarding privatising the NHS, I canít see it providing much benefit. For sure it is inefficient but if you look at the US, which is mainly done on an insurance basis is also full of inefficiency. Care is massively over-specced, drugs over-prescribed, just to make money, not for any health benefits. Also their system is much less fair than ours.

I mean certain parts, like patient transport or ambulances.
Maybe procurement of medication and bedding and equipment etc.
Care is paramount but savings here can go towards the care and wages maybe.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jan 22 5.48pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

They used to have hot potatoes. Usually cold and not even much real potato these days.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 12 Jan 22 6.16pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So mention privatising the NHS and loads go in to melt down about care at point of need etc etc. The NHS is too big to fail but to big to succeed. It is an inefficient dinosaur wasting money and not fulfilling its potential. (CP this isn't about the recent dosh ) Most staff are wonderful people with caring being the prime reason for working in said NHS.
Wages are paid for the job they do rightly or wrongly but that is a matter of opinion. Now that's out of the way I think there are parts of it which would benefit from being privatised. There are too many chiefs and not enough Indians for a start.
(figure of speech before; you know.....).
Anyhow I'm not a business man but some learned people on here and within our society could prove these points no doubt with facts and figures. Alongside less wastage, less crap staff, possible better wages, savings to hmg whichever colour could and would be made.
Any ideas because whenever it's mentioned the BMA rock up to Russel square for a march and any suggestion is put to bed.

To top heavy for sure, but they only want to privatise the bits that can make them money-let the taxpayer pick up the dross, thats business!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 12 Jan 22 6.24pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

To top heavy for sure, but they only want to privatise the bits that can make them money-let the taxpayer pick up the dross, thats business!

There's something to that unfortunately. The NHS, though imperfect is a valuable and vital safety net. I'm not sure that we have anything more valuable to lose in this country. We must be on the look out to ward off any creeping changing that will warp its nature. Governments will likely attempt to do the opposite. They will invite such changes in.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 12 Jan 22 6.28pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

There's something to that unfortunately. The NHS, though imperfect is a valuable and vital safety net. I'm not sure that we have anything more valuable to lose in this country. We must be on the look out to ward off any creeping changing that will warp its nature. Governments will likely attempt to do the opposite. They will invite such changes in.

Richi was in California the other week getting the ball rolling, we soon won"t be able to get the drugs required for treatment as the pharmos are already in charge- it will be just the stuff you could do yourself at home that you will get an appointment for.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 7.19pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

To top heavy for sure, but they only want to privatise the bits that can make them money-let the taxpayer pick up the dross, thats business!

Isn't making money the same as saving money in this particular scenario. Lets say hmg were to offer to privatise certain bits and then guaranteed a healthy pay rise for the staff. You would then say what?

Edited by cryrst (12 Jan 2022 7.21pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Jan 22 7.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Richi was in California the other week getting the ball rolling, we soon won"t be able to get the drugs required for treatment as the pharmos are already in charge- it will be just the stuff you could do yourself at home that you will get an appointment for.

You do talk some belony. Why would they limit drugs that people need. Take the red glasses off and try to see any benefit of cost savings.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 12 Jan 22 7.35pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Isn't making money the same as saving money in this particular scenario. Lets say hmg were to offer to privatise certain bits and then guaranteed a healthy pay rise for the staff. You would then say what?

Edited by cryrst (12 Jan 2022 7.21pm)

It doesn"t work like that- they might privatise but only give the bare minimum to staff- always works that way.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 12 Jan 22 7.37pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You do talk some belony. Why would they limit drugs that people need. Take the red glasses off and try to see any benefit of cost savings.

You just don"t get it, they wont spend on the privatised drugs as they are to expensive and would rather bandage 10 peoples arms- thats 10 happy customers- rather than the one life saving op- looks better in the accounts.Take off those blue tinted specs !

 

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