Whilst not agreeing with the general thrust given how I view the Ukrainian governing regime, I do think it is obvious that Ukraine as a nation has been encouraged by the West to give Moscow the middle finger for years and years. And now the Bear has decided to bite that finger off, the West are nowhere to be seen outside of lighting up a few buildings and supposed 'sanctions' (which have also been going on for years and years to no effect whatsoever).

If I was a Ukranian who had to make a deal with somebody then Putin would look like the better option because he does have a certain 'Ronseal' appeal in that he does what it says it will on the tin. As opposed to a West who are utterly impotent, having actually cut their own balls off (and who literally support children having the right to do so themselves).

Deal with Moscow, not Washington, would be my advice because at least with the Russians you tend to deal with people who do what they say they will.

Edited by Matov (26 Feb 2022 7.04am)

Edited by Matov (26 Feb 2022 7.04am)

It looks like Putin's expectation of a quick smash and grab isnt working. No doubt he will crush resistance sufficientky to install a puppet governmeny who will permit permenant troops, but Russia will face long term reistance on the ground, and the sanctions and expulsion from all world events will continue for a very long time. Putin wont compronise if he makes him look weak. He would rather see the economy of his nation take a kicking, and if people start compaining at home, well beat them up throw them in jail. Easy.

Hear is the Western response to the current crisis.

UK - Our intelligence services are hard at it, checking their white privilege and pronouns that is (I kid you not). When they have done that they will get around to checking what the Russian are up to. Anyone got a non gender specific map of Russia?

Germany - Nothing to reliant on Russian energy.

Italy - Are hard at it, selling luxury goods to the wives of the oligarchs that is.

The French - they will sign up to anything you like and then ignore it.

The rest, zilch, nada etc.

A pathetic response from the whole lot.

Boris - Churchillian speech but empty words.

Biden - Still trying to remember is it Uruguay that the Russian have invaded?

Trump - Still claiming he lost the election.

Corbyn / Abbott / Stop the War Coalition. Supporting Russia and blaming the West. Very predictable like a police office claiming that the defendant attacked his fist with his face.

Starmer - Doing his Corporal Jones / Captain Mannering trying to look in charge whilst some of his party are off message and talking about Palestine, just in case anyone still had doubts about anti Jewish sentiments in the Labour Party.

God us help once there were giants now we have pygmies (Oops MI5 have just told me I can't say that word). People of restricted stature?

Let's not get diverted onto Trump again. It was mentioned, I responded. Trump isn't evil because I say do. It's what he says that achieves that. Nothing needed from me.

Hear is the Western response to the current crisis.

UK - Our intelligence services are hard at it, checking their white privilege and pronouns that is (I kid you not). When they have done that they will get around to checking what the Russian are up to. Anyone got a non gender specific map of Russia?

Germany - Nothing to reliant on Russian energy.

Italy - Are hard at it, selling luxury goods to the wives of the oligarchs that is.

The French - they will sign up to anything you like and then ignore it.

The rest, zilch, nada etc.

A pathetic response from the whole lot.

Boris - Churchillian speech but empty words.

Biden - Still trying to remember is it Uruguay that the Russian have invaded?

Trump - Still claiming he lost the election.

Corbyn / Abbott / Stop the War Coalition. Supporting Russia and blaming the West. Very predictable like a police office claiming that the defendant attacked his fist with his face.

Starmer - Doing his Corporal Jones / Captain Mannering trying to look in charge whilst some of his party are off message and talking about Palestine, just in case anyone still had doubts about anti Jewish sentiments in the Labour Party.

God us help once there were giants now we have pygmies (Oops MI5 have just told me I can't say that word). People of restricted stature?

Hear is the Western response to the current crisis.

UK - Our intelligence services are hard at it, checking their white privilege and pronouns that is (I kid you not). When they have done that they will get around to checking what the Russian are up to. Anyone got a non gender specific map of Russia?

Germany - Nothing to reliant on Russian energy.

Italy - Are hard at it, selling luxury goods to the wives of the oligarchs that is.

The French - they will sign up to anything you like and then ignore it.

The rest, zilch, nada etc.

A pathetic response from the whole lot.

Boris - Churchillian speech but empty words.

Biden - Still trying to remember is it Uruguay that the Russian have invaded?

Trump - Still claiming he lost the election.

Corbyn / Abbott / Stop the War Coalition. Supporting Russia and blaming the West. Very predictable like a police office claiming that the defendant attacked his fist with his face.

Starmer - Doing his Corporal Jones / Captain Mannering trying to look in charge whilst some of his party are off message and talking about Palestine, just in case anyone still had doubts about anti Jewish sentiments in the Labour Party.

God us help once there were giants now we have pygmies (Oops MI5 have just told me I can't say that word). People of restricted stature?