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View nhp61's Profile nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 23 Mar 22 6.39pm Send a Private Message to nhp61 Add nhp61 as a friend

Interesting read in the Daily Mail today about Tyrick Mitchell, Marc Geuhi and Conor Gallagher's call up for England, with "Eberechi Eze knocking on the door"

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 23 Mar 22 7.23pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Take your point but only one of those from our academy.

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 24 Mar 22 12.01am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Take your point but only one of those from our academy.

None of them are. Mitchell came from Brentford's academy.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 24 Mar 22 7.13am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Take your point but only one of those from our academy.

The op didn't mention the academy. He's talking about the club having lots of highly-regarded talent. A bit like West Ham in the 1960s...which incidentally was referred to as "the academy" just to confuse the issue.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 24 Mar 22 8.29am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

As sure as night follows day our academy will churn out the type of players we now have in the first team. What SP has pulled off with its location and design is nothing short of phenomenal. Look what Chelsea academy does at Cobham. Give ours a few seasons and it will be on a par with Chelsea.

 

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 24 Mar 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

As sure as night follows day our academy will churn out the type of players we now have in the first team. What SP has pulled off with its location and design is nothing short of phenomenal. Look what Chelsea academy does at Cobham. Give ours a few seasons and it will be on a par with Chelsea.

Think that's setting the bar too high really. A couple of points.

Naive to think I believe we will match Chelsea as a draw to young talent. How many people growing up in our catchment area actually support us? And that's leaving aside draw Chelsea have in the market and youth football is very much a market place nowadays.

We can offer a clearer route to the first team than Chelsea can perhaps but even here they are well ahead of us with Chaloboah and James and Mount etc well established and they have the art of farming talent out on loan to a very fine art. There's a strong precedent to be attracted to Chelsea if you look at the likes of Guehi, Tomori, Livramento, Broja etc

A slightly contrary point is that I suspect what we are seeing right now at Chelsea is some form of high water mark that is unlikely to be reproduced for a couple of generations - the contemporary class of 92.

The type of players we have in our first team are in some ways generational talents especially if you look at Zaha, Olise, Eze and Gallagher. Only one of those was home reared. The others were the pick of the crop from elsewhere - that sort of player is not churned out

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 24 Mar 22 9.51am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

My opinion was that an academy/perusal of young players was based on recognising talent and polishing diamonds in the rough as opposed to picking up kids kicking around in SE London and turning them into Lionel Messi!

Recruitment, talent spotting etc is the main focus of the game these days, especially at top level. The most romantic story is that of your Wilfried Zaha, who grows up a stones throw away from Selhurst and starts with us from day dot, but that will never be the be all and end all. WZ is a very special talent but I do get the feeling sometimes people expect there to be 10,000 of him knocking about in Sunday leagues across Southwark, Lewisham, Bromley, Croydon, Sutton etc at any given stage and we should be picking them up then.

 


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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 24 Mar 22 9.52am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Chelsea also have enjoyed no financial restrictions where they could hoover up all the talent in the land.

And whilst I agree with the statement that we can offer a clearer route to the first team, they have more of their academy players planning in their team than we do at ours.

Interesting stat about Tyrick Mitchell in the atricle - running 2k a game more under PV than RH - that feels like a lot. There is a lot of talent in his position for England so he is going to have to put a marker down this weekend.

 

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View Omph's Profile Omph Flag Liverpool 24 Mar 22 10.03am Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

My opinion was that an academy/perusal of young players was based on recognising talent and polishing diamonds in the rough as opposed to picking up kids kicking around in SE London and turning them into Lionel Messi!

Recruitment, talent spotting etc is the main focus of the game these days, especially at top level. The most romantic story is that of your Wilfried Zaha, who grows up a stones throw away from Selhurst and starts with us from day dot, but that will never be the be all and end all. WZ is a very special talent but I do get the feeling sometimes people expect there to be 10,000 of him knocking about in Sunday leagues across Southwark, Lewisham, Bromley, Croydon, Sutton etc at any given stage and we should be picking them up then.

Think you have it . From memory Manchester United recently nabbed our local youth scout! Nothing is sacred - it's a real marketplace down there.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 24 Mar 22 1.18pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Omph

Think that's setting the bar too high really. A couple of points.

Naive to think I believe we will match Chelsea as a draw to young talent. How many people growing up in our catchment area actually support us? And that's leaving aside draw Chelsea have in the market and youth football is very much a market place nowadays.

We can offer a clearer route to the first team than Chelsea can perhaps but even here they are well ahead of us with Chaloboah and James and Mount etc well established and they have the art of farming talent out on loan to a very fine art. There's a strong precedent to be attracted to Chelsea if you look at the likes of Guehi, Tomori, Livramento, Broja etc

A slightly contrary point is that I suspect what we are seeing right now at Chelsea is some form of high water mark that is unlikely to be reproduced for a couple of generations - the contemporary class of 92.

The type of players we have in our first team are in some ways generational talents especially if you look at Zaha, Olise, Eze and Gallagher. Only one of those was home reared. The others were the pick of the crop from elsewhere - that sort of player is not churned out

Edited by Omph (24 Mar 2022 9.32am)

Well maybe just maybe the next generation will be an improvement on current and south london is an area that just may have above average hungry talent. Iím sure Parish considered things carefully before creating the academy. Plus, Iím a glass overflowing fan which obviously distorts my opinion.

 

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Originally posted by crvenaeagle

None of them are. Mitchell came from Brentford's academy.

A tad pedantic, but, yes he did. BUT, went straight into our academy in 2016 . . . [Link]

 


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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

As sure as night follows day our academy will churn out the type of players we now have in the first team. What SP has pulled off with its location and design is nothing short of phenomenal. Look what Chelsea academy does at Cobham. Give ours a few seasons and it will be on a par with Chelsea.

The quality of youngsters who hit our first team these days has definitely improved since the likes of Tom Soares and Gary Borrowdale

 

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