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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 15 Apr 22 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

That may be true, BUT, why do we(the world) have 'AD' & more importantly, 'BC'?

The BC/AD system was first used by monk Dionysius Exiguus in 553, so really has no bearing whatsoever

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Apr 22 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not any more. I am now a non-believer. Some years ago I had the opportunity to study the origins of the development of Christianity, right back to the 1st century AD and how, and by whom, the testaments were "written". I had no idea before I did this that his name wasn't Jesus at all, but Y'shua. They weren't actually penned by the Disciples, but by people who knew people who had heard stories. Introduce politics, and the game of "fairy whispers" comes to mind.

Kings quickly realised that a subservient people being promised salvation in an afterlife, provided they complied in this, gave them an easy way to rule.

That's not to say there isn't much value in the basic tenets of the Christian message. Loving one another, helping the poor and needy, and turning the other cheek when affronted is a good way for any society to operate. It's just such a pity that so many branches of Christianity don't actually practice it.

Kinda like Islam !!

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe you didn't know matov
My initials are JC

Jeremy Corbyn?

 


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View timmyb's Profile timmyb Flag Banstead 15 Apr 22 11.24pm Send a Private Message to timmyb Add timmyb as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not any more. I am now a non-believer. Some years ago I had the opportunity to study the origins of the development of Christianity, right back to the 1st century AD and how, and by whom, the testaments were "written". I had no idea before I did this that his name wasn't Jesus at all, but Y'shua. They weren't actually penned by the Disciples, but by people who knew people who had heard stories. Introduce politics, and the game of "fairy whispers" comes to mind.

Kings quickly realised that a subservient people being promised salvation in an afterlife, provided they complied in this, gave them an easy way to rule.

That's not to say there isn't much value in the basic tenets of the Christian message. Loving one another, helping the poor and needy, and turning the other cheek when affronted is a good way for any society to operate. It's just such a pity that so many branches of Christianity don't actually practice it.

The Gospels of Matthew and John were written by disciples...the latter's author also being a cousin of Jesus.
The author of Mark was a young Jewish eye witness of the ministry of Jesus. The other gospel writer, Luke, was a non-Jew who investigated Christ's life, death and resurrection. He was also a medical doctor and a world-changing first century historian.

The most prominent disciple, Peter, wrote two of the New Testament letters, and Jesus's half brothers Jude and James wrote two more.

Hebrews would indeed call Jesus Y'shua...a variant of Joshua, not far of Hoseah. I guess Jesus is a latinised or even anglicised version of the same.

In answer to the OP, I base my life on the teachings of the risen Jesus Christ of history.

Which means I am gutted that our semi is on Sunday afternoon.
So I won't be at Wembley...I will be leading our evening service, hoping that Chelsea are worn out by their defeat in Madrid and that one Saturday in May I will get to sing "Abide with me" for the third time in 32 years before watching Palace beat City or Liverpool.

 

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Originally posted by timmyb

The Gospels of Matthew and John were written by disciples...the latter's author also being a cousin of Jesus.
The author of Mark was a young Jewish eye witness of the ministry of Jesus. The other gospel writer, Luke, was a non-Jew who investigated Christ's life, death and resurrection. He was also a medical doctor and a world-changing first century historian.

The most prominent disciple, Peter, wrote two of the New Testament letters, and Jesus's half brothers Jude and James wrote two more.

Hebrews would indeed call Jesus Y'shua...a variant of Joshua, not far of Hoseah. I guess Jesus is a latinised or even anglicised version of the same.

In answer to the OP, I base my life on the teachings of the risen Jesus Christ of history.

Which means I am gutted that our semi is on Sunday afternoon.
So I won't be at Wembley...I will be leading our evening service, hoping that Chelsea are worn out by their defeat in Madrid and that one Saturday in May I will get to sing "Abide with me" for the third time in 32 years before watching Palace beat City or Liverpool.

Forgive me / my predictive text above.
For "world-changing" please substitute world class

 

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I think the event of crucifixion happened, and also the so called resurrection. But maybe not as elaborately as angels descending etc. They are written about at a time when literate people were few. So the written word would have been passed on by those who could only give their version of the facts. Which, as we all know, are not always the actual facts, but embellished with imagination.


So, yes I believe the events happened. But I think that the religion that arose from it has abused the story. It is now associated with rebirth, not resurrection, hence Easter 'eggs', and Easter 'bunnies', which are more in line with Pagan beliefs. And this is the popular face of Easter nowdays. Not many atheists give a second thought to why they are buying thier kids Easter eggs, they buy them because peer pressure says so.

 


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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 16 Apr 22 1.38am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Yes I believe. In fact I honestly don’t know where I’d be without Jesus….
These days I have many questions and doubts and all of that…I’m sort of clinging on really to the foundational truths that Jesus is who he says he is and that he’s ultimately good and loves us. The rest is up for grabs, for me. And one thing is for sure…the modern church is getting a lot of stuff wrong.

 

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Originally posted by sprites

Yes I believe. In fact I honestly don’t know where I’d be without Jesus….
These days I have many questions and doubts and all of that…I’m sort of clinging on really to the foundational truths that Jesus is who he says he is and that he’s ultimately good and loves us. The rest is up for grabs, for me. And one thing is for sure…the modern church is getting a lot of stuff wrong.

You could look into the Orthodox. They certainly reject modern attitudes.

 


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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I think the event of crucifixion happened, and also the so called resurrection. But maybe not as elaborately as angels descending etc. They are written about at a time when literate people were few. So the written word would have been passed on by those who could only give their version of the facts. Which, as we all know, are not always the actual facts, but embellished with imagination.


So, yes I believe the events happened. But I think that the religion that arose from it has abused the story. It is now associated with rebirth, not resurrection, hence Easter 'eggs', and Easter 'bunnies', which are more in line with Pagan beliefs. And this is the popular face of Easter nowdays. Not many atheists give a second thought to why they are buying thier kids Easter eggs, they buy them because peer pressure says so.

Plus an enjoyment of chocolate.

Many people are more cultural than practicing Christians for many reasons.

Paganism doesn't require the worship of a god and many religions around the world incorporated its rituals as a way of soft power in spreading their messages.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Plus an enjoyment of chocolate.

Many people are more cultural than practicing Christians for many reasons.

Paganism doesn't require the worship of a god and many religions around the world incorporated its rituals as a way of soft power in spreading their messages.

Yep. All of that. Culture changes all the time, hence the inclusion, or mixing if you prefer, of Paganism and Christianity. And now the modern culture of Chocolotism.

 


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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Yep. All of that. Culture changes all the time, hence the inclusion, or mixing if you prefer, of Paganism and Christianity. And now the modern culture of Chocolotism.

Good description of it.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You could look into the Orthodox. They certainly reject modern attitudes.


Definitely an area I am more and more drawn to but I still have hopes that the Catholic Church will discover its soul once again.

 


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