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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Apr 22 8.57am

Three defeats in a row and no goal scored in the last two.

I thought we were ok in the first half against Chelsea and insipid after the break. Tiredness may have played a part but considering that Chelsea got to the final of the League Cup and have been playing European football as well, it's not really an excuse.

However, I thought the first half last night was one of our poorest all season. The complete lack of energy and ideas compared to ASM, Joelinton and so on was stark. We had Zaha, Olise, Gallagher and Edouard which, for me, isn't too far off my first choice attack.

Maybe I'm being harsh and it's just an inevitable dip in form after a good run of results but it feels a bit like the players have checked out which, considering we could still finish anywhere between 9th and 16th and there's a couple of million for each place higher you finish, is frustrating.

Thoughts?

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Apr 22 9.06am

yes we are on the Beach in Ibiza, wearing flip-flops and drinking margueritas.

Time for PV to give a trial to new young hungry blood. There is no excuse for slackers in professional football.

 


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Elpis Flag In a pub 21 Apr 22 9.23am

Its important we dont get into that mindset as its normally still there at the start of the next season . Likewise a good finnish normally equates to a good start .

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 21 Apr 22 9.29am

Originally posted by Elpis

Its important we dont get into that mindset as its normally still there at the start of the next season . Likewise a good finnish normally equates to a good start .

Do you mean Mikael Forssell?

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Apr 22 9.32am

surely Laziness is a sackable offence ?

remember Mesut Ozil, walking after the ball when a breakaway has just started.

 


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Elpis Flag In a pub 21 Apr 22 9.58am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Do you mean Mikael Forssell?

I think after a decent spell with us he was on the beach the rest of his career

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 10.10am

Originally posted by Elpis

I think after a decent spell with us he was on the beach the rest of his career

I had heard that Forssell worked so hard on the training ground and it was difficult to get him off it.
I recall him as a player with quick feet who was very strong and had the ability to score with both feet.
The poor lad was blighted with injuries a few yeas after he left our club.


Edited by Willo (21 Apr 2022 10.14am)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Apr 22 10.21am

We were rubbish last night but let's not over do it.

We had a tough game at Leicester before a big Cup game and an even harder one straight after.
We are all but safe, and we have a young squad.

Mitchell has had a little dip which is no shock for a young player and it only takes the odd mistake to lose a game.

A couple more wins and this will be a very good season for us. As it is, we have done OK given the changes at the club.

What is important is that we continue to invest in improving the squad and make good choices as we did last Summer.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 21 Apr 22 10.22am

So Brighton have returned from their beach have they? Teams against us are allowed to score and beat us, so what if it's three in a row, we sound a little bit like we should be in the top six.

Edited by Tickled pink (21 Apr 2022 10.24am)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 10.28am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

So Brighton have returned from their beach have they? Teams against us are allowed to score and beat us, so what if it's three in a row, we sound a little bit like we should be in the top six.

Edited by Tickled pink (21 Apr 2022 10.24am)

We played Leicester just before the Chelsea game and perhaps had one eye on the semi-final.

We played Newcastle after that semi-final and as I articulated prior to the game there was every chance that the Wembley game would take its toll both physically and mentally, besides we had to make the long trip up north.

 

JohnB Flag 21 Apr 22 10.30am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We were rubbish last night but let's not over do it.

We had a tough game at Leicester before a big Cup game and an even harder one straight after.
We are all but safe, and we have a young squad.

Mitchell has had a little dip which is no shock for a young player and it only takes the odd mistake to lose a game.

A couple more wins and this will be a very good season for us. As it is, we have done OK given the changes at the club.

What is important is that we continue to invest in improving the squad and make good choices as we did last Summer.

I think it's clear that Mitchell is still not quite fit following his injury against Leicester and should probably not have played last night to give him a rest. Olise was probably rushed back too quickly and Edouard looked like JPM when he first came back into the team, having not played for ages.

It's also not hard to understand that following the hugely disappointing loss in the semi, for a group of younger players, to then have to travel to the other end of the country 3 days later for amatch against the team that since January has recorded the second most points in the league was never going to be easy.

Had last nights game been played with a couple more days rest, I think we would have seen a completely different side from us.

I don't think Viera is the type of person who would allow the players to switch off and I think we just lost to 3 good teams under difficult circumstances. Leicester with one eye on the cup match and then no real recovery time after Chelsea match.

At least we now have a longer break before Leeds on Monday.

 

aashman12 Flag 21 Apr 22 11.31am

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Three defeats in a row and no goal scored in the last two.

I thought we were ok in the first half against Chelsea and insipid after the break. Tiredness may have played a part but considering that Chelsea got to the final of the League Cup and have been playing European football as well, it's not really an excuse.

However, I thought the first half last night was one of our poorest all season. The complete lack of energy and ideas compared to ASM, Joelinton and so on was stark. We had Zaha, Olise, Gallagher and Edouard which, for me, isn't too far off my first choice attack.

Maybe I'm being harsh and it's just an inevitable dip in form after a good run of results but it feels a bit like the players have checked out which, considering we could still finish anywhere between 9th and 16th and there's a couple of million for each place higher you finish, is frustrating.

Thoughts?

If they're on the beach for an FA cup semi final then they can all f*** off

 

Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 21 Apr 22 12.57pm

Originally posted by JohnB

I think it's clear that Mitchell is still not quite fit following his injury against Leicester and should probably not have played last night to give him a rest. Olise was probably rushed back too quickly and Edouard looked like JPM when he first came back into the team, having not played for ages.

It's also not hard to understand that following the hugely disappointing loss in the semi, for a group of younger players, to then have to travel to the other end of the country 3 days later for amatch against the team that since January has recorded the second most points in the league was never going to be easy.

Had last nights game been played with a couple more days rest, I think we would have seen a completely different side from us.

I don't think Viera is the type of person who would allow the players to switch off and I think we just lost to 3 good teams under difficult circumstances. Leicester with one eye on the cup match and then no real recovery time after Chelsea match.

At least we now have a longer break before Leeds on Monday.


Fair points.

Yeah I've got no issues over Vieira's motivation but I just felt that Saint-Maximin, in particular, was livelier than our entire front four last night and we didn't really pick up until McArthur came on in the second half.

Our last six games are all very winnable so I just think it would be a shame to slip down the league rather than finishing strongly in mid-table.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 21 Apr 22 12.59pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Do you mean Mikael Forssell?

or Aki - even better!

 


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EddieMac Flag 22 Apr 22 11.21am

Talk about a storm in a tea cup. We could have beaten or drawn against Necastle and Leicester and it wouldn’t have not been deserved. We lost both games by fine margins. Arsenal lost 3 in a row, Southampton lost 6 out of 8 and on it goes.

This league is ruthless and there are no guaranteed points. No need for the dramatics and panic.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Apr 22 11.27am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Talk about a storm in a tea cup. We could have beaten or drawn against Necastle and Leicester and it wouldn’t have not been deserved. We lost both games by fine margins. Arsenal lost 3 in a row, Southampton lost 6 out of 8 and on it goes.

This league is ruthless and there are no guaranteed points. No need for the dramatics and panic.

I am known on HOL for being a glumbucket and an Elijah of Doom but even I am relaxed about our prospects this season.

 

Wilbraham413 Flag 23 Apr 22 4.18am

I don't think there's a chance of us being relegated, but I do think there's a reasonable chance of us finishing in 16th place, which would be a complete embarrassment given the positive vibes we've had this season.

Basically, if we finish 16th, all the goodwill we've had this year will be lost, and we'll be a relegation favorite for 22/23.

 


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YT Flag Oxford 23 Apr 22 7.18am

Originally posted by Willo

We played Leicester just before the Chelsea game and perhaps had one eye on the semi-final.

We played Newcastle after that semi-final and as I articulated prior to the game there was every chance that the Wembley game would take its toll both physically and mentally, besides we had to make the long trip up north.

Willo my ol' son, we played Leicester A WHOLE WEEK before the semi-final, which was the club's longest non-playing gap before any FA Cup semi that we've participated in.

I think we are in a fair position that reflects how good we are relative to all the other clubs in the PL, rather than how good lots of people like to think we are.

 


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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 23 Apr 22 8.00am

We didn't even have a chance against Chelsea, because of a ridiculous line up and pathetic substitution's, against Newcastle poor selection and poor substitutions, Why does Ayew have to automatically come on when Olise goes off, Mateta could have come on, Edouard left, Wilf Right, but no same old same old

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 23 Apr 22 8.34am

Originally posted by YT

Willo my ol' son, we played Leicester A WHOLE WEEK before the semi-final, which was the club's longest non-playing gap before any FA Cup semi that we've participated in.

I think we are in a fair position that reflects how good we are relative to all the other clubs in the PL, rather than how good lots of people like to think we are.

Yes. This is what I was suggesting in a previous post, particularly in relation to our bang average midfield. The position we end up in will accurately reflect our season as a whole. How could it be otherwise? I'll mention again that it is ironic that our best player this season is a loanee. It shows how much there is to do if we wish to break into the top ten.
That said, I think this season has been relatively successful overall.

 

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