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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 May 22 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I must admit that the idea of a single male footballer coming out as gay is quite amusing, since 90% of female footballers are lesbians and no one bats an eyelid.

I think all this might have something to do with marketing.

It will also be very amusing to hear the response of female footballers when a transexual wants to sign up to a female football team.

Muslims really are a bit of an idealogical problem for the liberal Left. They never know which way to turn. They persecute gays and suppress women's rights, and yet to criticize this is 'Islamophobic'.

The bottom line is that politicians have managed to ruin this country by turning it into a divisive nightmare, and all, so they can get elected and feather their own nests.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2022 6.11pm)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 May 22 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Before forming a view on Gueye or Kouyate...

Firstly, you'd have to be sure that Gueye refused to play in the shirt, which neither player nor club have confirmed, I believe.

Secondly, if he refused to wear the shirt, you'd need to know exactly why.

Gueye's reasons make all the difference in the world.

If Gueye refused to wear the shirt because he dislikes identity politics, commercial virtue-signalling, or the replacement of reasoned and respectful debate with echo-chamber ignorance then I support his position.

If he refused to wear the shirt because he fears the repercussions in his homeland, then I might just about accept that as limited mitigation, though plenty of other Senegalese players have worn such shirts/laces etc.

If he refused to wear the shirt because he believes homosexuality is wrong for social, political or religious reasons then the bloke is a f***ing idiot, and Kouyate is too for supporting him.


If it does transpire that the third reason is the one to explain Gueyes absence from the team, then (1) repercussions must follow and (2) anyone tempted to rejoice in Gueye's actions should take a look at themselves.

I despise the unreasonable left, and the trend toward mindless, superficial but widespread support for ideas based in identity politics, but I also despise a bigot.

My enemy's enemy is not my friend.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (19 May 2022 4.40pm)


It seems to me that the intolerance shown by minorities and their supporters towards those who do not fully buy into their ideals and beliefs is becoming greater than the intolerance shown toward them. It is not a one way street.

Would you expect devout Muslims to actively support Christianity because it is the right thing to do? Clearly it just isnít going to happen just like you will never convince followers of certain religions that homosexuality is acceptable. By your definition of bigot anyone with those religious beliefs is in fact a bigot and yet a Muslim/Christian might find much of the alphabet community bigoted for their failure to actively support the Muslim/Christian faith.

People just have to accept that not everyone feels the same regardless of whether or not others expect them to.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 May 22 6.36pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I want to hear Big Ron's opinion.

 


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View Pembroke's Profile Pembroke Flag Bristol 19 May 22 7.13pm Send a Private Message to Pembroke Add Pembroke as a friend

Originally posted by regpaddock

So support of LBGQ+ is now compulsory is it? I think I understand what the L stands for, and the B and the G ... but I have absolutely no clue what a Q is and a + could be anything. Someone told me the + stands for paedophiles, beastialagists and necriphiliacs, but they might have got that wrong.

The A stands for aromatic.

Yes a lot of this compelled speech and actions has an aroma.

 

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Originally posted by Goal Machine

FFS. More politics in football.

As others have said, CK is free to think how he likes. He's a footballer, who really cares about his beliefs on something so trivial?

Yes, we are all free to think what we like. We are not, however, always free to express what we think. For instance, I believe racist language in public is against the law, as are various other forms of intolerance/hatred. None of us has a problem with that (or most of us don't, anyway). This is not about what CK thinks. It's about what he's openly expressed. HE brought his views into a public forum. We didn't.

To your second point the reality is, particularly the young and impressionable, people do care what a footballer they idolise believes. Perhaps they shouldn't, but they do.

Originally posted by Goal Machine

If CK's beliefs are what is being insinuated, I happen to disagree with him, but I really couldn't give a toss.

Personally, I agree with you but not everyone is as enlightened and well informed as you are. There was a time when no one gave a toss what the once inconsequential little racist Nigel Farage thought. So we ignored him. And we ended up with Brexit. Small seeds can lead to bad things. Always better to nip bad ideas in the bud.

Originally posted by Goal Machine

He's from a different part of the world to us with different views...

And we can all respect that. It doesn't, however, mean we have to welcome views that are disparate from those held by the majority of people in the UK into our country. We can allow homophobes into this country, but we shouldn't allow them to express their homophobia once they've arrived.

Originally posted by Goal Machine

- I thought we were meant to be tolerant of that?

There is a difference between being tolerant of people's right to have different beliefs (which we are tolerant of) and being tolerant of them having a platform in our country to espouse those beliefs. We don't prosecute holocaust deniers until they go public and seek to influence others.

Originally posted by Goal Machine

His biggest crime is using social media. It seems to give footballers nothing but grief.

His biggest crime was expressing his views in a country where those views are considered abhorrent. Social media was simply the medium he chose to do it. Using it wasn't a crime. It was rank stupidity. Any footballer who expresses support for a homophobic act over social media must be aware that he is lighting the blue touchpaper, or else he is very, very stupid indeed.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I must admit that the idea of a single male footballer coming out as gay is quite amusing, since 90% of female footballers are lesbians and no one bats an eyelid.

I think all this might have something to do with marketing.

It will also be very amusing to hear the response of female footballers when a transexual wants to sign up to a female football team.

Muslims really are a bit of an idealogical problem for the liberal Left. They never know which way to turn. They persecute gays and suppress women's rights, and yet to criticize this is 'Islamophobic'.

The bottom line is that politicians have managed to ruin this country by turning it into a divisive nightmare, and all, so they can get elected and feather their own nests.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2022 6.11pm)

Good choice of word!

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Muslims really are a bit of an idealogical problem for the liberal Left. They never know which way to turn. They persecute gays and suppress women's rights, and yet to criticize this is 'Islamophobic'.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2022 6.11pm)

Err, Islam is a choice. Being gay isn't. The position you adopt with regard to each doesn't require any compromise.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Not really freedom of speech then is it? You can say what you like but youíll be prosecuted.

You can't say what you like. You can THINK what you like, but you can't always say it. Ask Colleen Rooney for a less inflammatory example. Libel, slander, various -isms (including racism) are all against the law. All limit freedom of speech where society concludes it is in the public interest to do so.

You are failing to grasp that in democratic countries, we DO have freedom of speech but it's somewhat nuanced. What we DO NOT have is ABSOLUTE freedom of speech. You are conflating the two.

Edited by sydtheeagle (21 May 2022 12.53pm)

 


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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Err, Islam is a choice. Being gay isn't. The position you adopt with regard to each doesn't require any compromise.

Religion to some is everything and consumes their lives and the way they live them. You will not be able to convince them otherwise. Put in that context and even though there should be, in reality, there is little between the two positions.

 

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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Err, Islam is a choice. Being gay isn't. The position you adopt with regard to each doesn't require any compromise.

That is a bit disingenous to say being brought up from birth in a likely strict environment to follow the rules of a supernatural belief is a 'choice'. People are born into and brought up in poverty. Does that mean you are suddenly able to take on a comfortable lifestyle when you get to voting age?

 

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Originally posted by Slimey Toad

That is a bit disingenous to say being brought up from birth in a likely strict environment to follow the rules of a supernatural belief is a 'choice'. People are born into and brought up in poverty. Does that mean you are suddenly able to take on a comfortable lifestyle when you get to voting age?

Surely you are making my point, not opposing it? No, you can't suddenly adopt a totally different lifestyle, but the key word is SUDDENLY, not "can't". You can, with aspiration and determination, do just that and many people do. So yes, during your childhood you can be inculcated with certain beliefs but, hard as it may be, you can move away from them. I'm not saying that's easy to do, but it is possible.

 


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Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Err, Islam is a choice. Being gay isn't. The position you adopt with regard to each doesn't require any compromise.

It's actually not, certainly for huge swathes of people who simply can't walk away from it.

 


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