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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 19 May 22 10.10am Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Take the new contract off the table for me, Palace have always been a tolerant club, or more tolerant than others at very least.

Have your beliefs, sure, but this is something I feel he should have kept to himself and kept out of football, especially in this day and age.

Sounds really tolerant.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 May 22 11.58am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Frankly, the best policy a club can have is to put a 'no social media' clause (except official club social media) in player's contracts and get rid of this constant issue.
Of course, if this happens God or Allah only knows what Sky Sports News will report on. More women's football I guess.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 19 May 22 12.36pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I think the important point to note is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Kouyate is in a position of power as a public figure and said something that appears to go against the club's official equality policy (available on the club's website) and therefore he is liable to be punished. What it may come down to is what he meant when he said 'a real man'. It comes across that he is suggesting that gay men are not 'real men' (whatever that means). If that was not the case then he can clarify and apologise and we can move on. If he intended to make the misguided and homophobic statement that gay men are not 'real men' then I can't see any way back for him at Palace given his contract is up. As I said, you can have your opinions but if you choose to air them publicly there are consequences.

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 19 May 22 1.00pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think the important point to note is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Kouyate is in a position of power as a public figure and said something that appears to go against the club's official equality policy (available on the club's website) and therefore he is liable to be punished. What it may come down to is what he meant when he said 'a real man'. It comes across that he is suggesting that gay men are not 'real men' (whatever that means). If that was not the case then he can clarify and apologise and we can move on. If he intended to make the misguided and homophobic statement that gay men are not 'real men' then I can't see any way back for him at Palace given his contract is up. As I said, you can have your opinions but if you choose to air them publicly there are consequences.


So you don't believe in freedom of speech then, and that people should be censored for fear of offending someone?

If that's the case then everyone may as well have their tongue removed at birth, as there's always someone out there looking to be offended.

 

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Regpaddock: Don't go into comedy pal. "Someone" needs educating

Quote: So support of LBGQ+ is now compulsory is it? I think I understand what the L stands for, and the B and the G ... but I have absolutely no clue what a Q is and a + could be anything. Someone told me the + stands for paedophiles, beastialagists and necriphiliacs, but they might have got that wrong.

Edited by eag-les (19 May 2022 1.17pm)

 


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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 19 May 22 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

FFS. More politics in football.

As others have said, CK is free to think how he likes. He's a footballer, who really cares about his beliefs on something so trivial? He'll now get castrated in the same way a white player would have if they refused to knee. Poor bloke.

If CK's beliefs are what is being insinuated, I happen to disagree with him, but I really couldn't give a toss. He's from a different part of the world to us with different views - I thought we were meant to be tolerant of that? What a non story.

His biggest crime is using social media. It seems to give footballers nothing but grief.

 

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Originally posted by martin2412


So you don't believe in freedom of speech then, and that people should be censored for fear of offending someone?

If that's the case then everyone may as well have their tongue removed at birth, as there's always someone out there looking to be offended.

Kouyate appears to have broken Palace's Equality Policy in what he said. The consequence may well be he is fined. He had the freedom to say what he said, but that does not mean the club can't fine him. I imagine the players probably even had to sign agreements regarding their public behaviour. Many businesses have similar policies. As I said at the beginning, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Even these forums have policies around what you can say. I mean, you have the right to call me a c*nt, but you know that you might end up getting a yellow card.

 

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Originally posted by eag-les

Regpaddock: Don't go into comedy pal. "Someone" needs educating

Quote: So support of LBGQ+ is now compulsory is it? I think I understand what the L stands for, and the B and the G ... but I have absolutely no clue what a Q is and a + could be anything. Someone told me the + stands for paedophiles, beastialagists and necriphiliacs, but they might have got that wrong.

Edited by eag-les (19 May 2022 1.17pm)


Hi neighbour I think that there should be a T in there also for Trans and Q is for Question. What the question is though.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 May 22 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley


Hi neighbour I think that there should be a T in there also for Trans and Q is for Question. What the question is though.

Might be for Qonfused?

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 May 22 2.24pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by crystal-purley


Hi neighbour I think that there should be a T in there also for Trans and Q is for Question. What the question is though.

Believe it or not, Q really does stand for 'Queer' apparently that's to do with certain non-white's. They don't like being labelled 'Gay'.

When i find a link, i'll post it(unless someone beats me to it).

Edited by eagleman13 (19 May 2022 2.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by eag-les

Regpaddock: Don't go into comedy pal. "Someone" needs educating

Quote: So support of LBGQ+ is now compulsory is it? I think I understand what the L stands for, and the B and the G ... but I have absolutely no clue what a Q is and a + could be anything. Someone told me the + stands for paedophiles, beastialagists and necriphiliacs, but they might have got that wrong.

Edited by eag-les (19 May 2022 1.17pm)

I don't get Queer I know what it means but it was always an insult to call a gay person that. So what is the difference between a gay and a queer and if I use that word will I get fined?

 


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