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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 25 Aug 23 10.46pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


A claim airports will have to close too.

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That's OK. Premier League clubs will be able to revert to travelling by train or electric coach from Manchester to Birmingham for away games instead of by plane.

 


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Originally posted by YT

That's OK. Premier League clubs will be able to revert to travelling by train or electric coach from Manchester to Birmingham for away games instead of by plane.

Or put up a large net and fire them out of a giant cannon.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Aug 23 11.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I find it sickening. Especially with Environment Summits, politicians flying all over the place in Business Class and in top Hotels. 4WD chauffeured vehicles and food flown from far and wide, so the Upper classes can tell the voters how to live their lives.

The sad thing is, that Climate Change Protesters actually think their actions will have any effect whatsoever.
We are long past the point of no-return,.. and now it's just take what you can, before we all boil to death.
Assuming Biden/Trump and Putin don't take us into nuclear conflict first.

I havenít been following this thread as it seems obvious that these protestors do far more harm than good and reading others saying so a little pointless.

It seems to have expanded. I am not as cynical or pessimistic as you. There is now a much greater acceptance of the need to reduce our reliance on carbon based fuels in the developed world and significant steps being taken alongside promising research. We must show the way. The developing world will follow, but they cannot be expected to lead. Itís unrealistic to expect people to immediately change their lifestyles. People just wouldnít cooperate. Yes, flying to conferences sends out bad messaging but the overall cost is minimal compared to the need to achieve global cooperation.

However, I think we are overlooking, and as a consequence are unprepared for, one of the biggest impacts of climate change. One that is probably a bigger threat to our future than the changes themselves.

Whilst we can mitigate the changes, and in time even start to reverse them, they are going to happen, even if the extreme weather we have witnessed in recent years is not already evidence of them. Rising sea levels, changes to rainfall patterns and the consequential availability of fertile land and spaces to live are going to cause population movements of a kind we have never witnessed. Add in the predicted population growth and the migration issues we are experiencing now will seem minor. We may not take the brunt ourselves but the knock on effects could be catastrophic.

So I believe we must start to prepare for this now. Build barriers where possible. Plan where large numbers can safely go and develop the economic resources there so they will. Research on drought resistant crops is being done but needs to be prioritised.

Explaining we need to spend money on this is not going to be easy.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 26 Aug 23 6.08am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I havenít been following this thread as it seems obvious that these protestors do far more harm than good and reading others saying so a little pointless.

It seems to have expanded. I am not as cynical or pessimistic as you. There is now a much greater acceptance of the need to reduce our reliance on carbon based fuels in the developed world and significant steps being taken alongside promising research. We must show the way. The developing world will follow, but they cannot be expected to lead. Itís unrealistic to expect people to immediately change their lifestyles. People just wouldnít cooperate. Yes, flying to conferences sends out bad messaging but the overall cost is minimal compared to the need to achieve global cooperation.

However, I think we are overlooking, and as a consequence are unprepared for, one of the biggest impacts of climate change. One that is probably a bigger threat to our future than the changes themselves.

Whilst we can mitigate the changes, and in time even start to reverse them, they are going to happen, even if the extreme weather we have witnessed in recent years is not already evidence of them. Rising sea levels, changes to rainfall patterns and the consequential availability of fertile land and spaces to live are going to cause population movements of a kind we have never witnessed. Add in the predicted population growth and the migration issues we are experiencing now will seem minor. We may not take the brunt ourselves but the knock on effects could be catastrophic.

So I believe we must start to prepare for this now. Build barriers where possible. Plan where large numbers can safely go and develop the economic resources there so they will. Research on drought resistant crops is being done but needs to be prioritised.

Explaining we need to spend money on this is not going to be easy.

Servicing gas appliances could be a start.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 26 Aug 23 8.24am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I havenít been following this thread as it seems obvious that these protestors do far more harm than good and reading others saying so a little pointless.

It seems to have expanded. I am not as cynical or pessimistic as you. There is now a much greater acceptance of the need to reduce our reliance on carbon based fuels in the developed world and significant steps being taken alongside promising research. We must show the way. The developing world will follow, but they cannot be expected to lead. Itís unrealistic to expect people to immediately change their lifestyles. People just wouldnít cooperate. Yes, flying to conferences sends out bad messaging but the overall cost is minimal compared to the need to achieve global cooperation.

However, I think we are overlooking, and as a consequence are unprepared for, one of the biggest impacts of climate change. One that is probably a bigger threat to our future than the changes themselves.

Whilst we can mitigate the changes, and in time even start to reverse them, they are going to happen, even if the extreme weather we have witnessed in recent years is not already evidence of them. Rising sea levels, changes to rainfall patterns and the consequential availability of fertile land and spaces to live are going to cause population movements of a kind we have never witnessed. Add in the predicted population growth and the migration issues we are experiencing now will seem minor. We may not take the brunt ourselves but the knock on effects could be catastrophic.

So I believe we must start to prepare for this now. Build barriers where possible. Plan where large numbers can safely go and develop the economic resources there so they will. Research on drought resistant crops is being done but needs to be prioritised.

Explaining we need to spend money on this is not going to be easy.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I havenít been following this thread as it seems obvious that these protestors do far more harm than good and reading others saying so a little pointless.

It seems to have expanded. I am not as cynical or pessimistic as you. There is now a much greater acceptance of the need to reduce our reliance on carbon based fuels in the developed world and significant steps being taken alongside promising research. We must show the way. The developing world will follow, but they cannot be expected to lead. Itís unrealistic to expect people to immediately change their lifestyles. People just wouldnít cooperate. Yes, flying to conferences sends out bad messaging but the overall cost is minimal compared to the need to achieve global cooperation.

However, I think we are overlooking, and as a consequence are unprepared for, one of the biggest impacts of climate change. One that is probably a bigger threat to our future than the changes themselves.

Whilst we can mitigate the changes, and in time even start to reverse them, they are going to happen, even if the extreme weather we have witnessed in recent years is not already evidence of them. Rising sea levels, changes to rainfall patterns and the consequential availability of fertile land and spaces to live are going to cause population movements of a kind we have never witnessed. Add in the predicted population growth and the migration issues we are experiencing now will seem minor. We may not take the brunt ourselves but the knock on effects could be catastrophic.

So I believe we must start to prepare for this now. Build barriers where possible. Plan where large numbers can safely go and develop the economic resources there so they will. Research on drought resistant crops is being done but needs to be prioritised.

Explaining we need to spend money on this is not going to be easy.

Yawn

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Aug 23 8.33am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

The Green Party
"We must stop using fossil fuels we're destroying the planet".

National Grid
"In order to utilise solar and wind farms and other renewables there must be a massive expansion of the grid which will mean more pylons"

The Green Party
"Monstrous, the National Grid will ruin the countryside"

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Aug 23 8.58am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

This is from the ONS. Make of what you will.


One death in England and Wales in the period 2001 to 2021 had exposure to air pollution (International Classification of Diseases, Tenth revision (ICD-10) code Z581) recorded on the death certificate.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Aug 23 9.09am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This is from the ONS. Make of what you will.


One death in England and Wales in the period 2001 to 2021 had exposure to air pollution (International Classification of Diseases, Tenth revision (ICD-10) code Z581) recorded on the death certificate.

It's difficult to prove that air pollution is the specific cause of death rather than a contributing factor. The death of the young black girl which is what I suspect this refers to is controversial as some people believe the coroner went to far in his verdict.

I think we'd all agree that air pollution is bad especially for people with underlying health issues.

The issue for me is that Khan has come up with a bad solution initially proposed by Boris and will brook no discussion on the matter. He has hurled all sorts of insults at anyone who disagrees with ULEZ including calling them far right extremists.

This is childless and pathetic way of trying to engage the public on a serious topic.

My own preference is rather than have a single solution the Mayor should be looking at specific local solutions.

Identify where pollution is bad and then see what can be done. For example if it is caused by cars idling due to traffic jams solve that problem and then see if the pollution reduces.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2023 9.10am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

It's difficult to prove that air pollution is the specific cause of death rather than a contributing factor. The death of the young black girl which is what I suspect this refers to is controversial as some people believe the coroner went to far in his verdict.

I think we'd all agree that air pollution is bad especially for people with underlying health issues.

The issue for me is that Khan has come up with a bad solution initially proposed by Boris and will brook no discussion on the matter. He has hurled all sorts of insults at anyone who disagrees with ULEZ including calling them far right extremists.

This is childless and pathetic way of trying to engage the public on a serious topic.

My own preference is rather than have a single solution the Mayor should be looking at specific local solutions.

Identify where pollution is bad and then see what can be done. For example if it is caused by cars idling due to traffic jams solve that problem and then see if the pollution reduces.


I wonder how much - or if possible - it is to retrofit stop/start technology. Perhaps that could be a start. But why solve a problem when you can tax itÖ

Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2023 9.10am)

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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"I wonder how much - or if possible - it is to retrofit stop/start technology. Perhaps that could be a start. But why solve a problem when you can tax itÖ"

I thought that's what the new buses do? If you are at the lights the diesel engine cuts out and it runs on a battery?

Most people can see this is more about tax than health.

My neighbour has a car which if it was a year older would not be compliant. She has made the comment will he change the rules in future years. Quite possibly if the ULEZ revenue starts to fall Kahn will move the goal post.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2023 9.40am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

"I wonder how much - or if possible - it is to retrofit stop/start technology. Perhaps that could be a start. But why solve a problem when you can tax itÖ"

I thought that's what the new buses do? If you are at the lights the diesel engine cuts out and it runs on a battery?

Most people can see this is more about tax than health.

My neighbour has a car which if it was a year older would not be compliant. She has made the comment will he change the rules in future years. Quite possibly if the ULEZ revenue starts to fall Kahn will move the goal post.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2023 9.40am)

You think Khan will win again in May 2024!!! I think there is more chance of the pope flying over here on a microlight.

By doing this he has hit the very people that support him.

London air quality is good again today, as it is 95% of the time. The only time its been worse than moderate was when the wind changed direction and blew pollution across from europe. And that was the time he posted it!

You can still drive the most polluting car around London if you can pay £12.50 per day. So a tax on the poor and nothing to do with air quality. The London underground is 3x worse than above ground. Smoke and mirrors from a politician who knew!

 

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