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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 25 Sep 22 9.39pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't actually think this will produce the economic growth, nobody explained how today, do investors I am not sure.

The s**t could well hit the fan here.

The fiscal event was given a resounding thumbs down by investors ,the FTSE100 fell two per cent on the day.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 26 Sep 22 1.38am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Decades of energy policy stupidity by all UK governments since the 90's is the problem.

Might be helpful to stop hindsight blaming and look forward for solutions.

Global markets are being driven by the US Fed and it's interest rates, not because of Kwarteng's speech.

The FTSE is a component of the global markets.

Some are taking the view that a low GBP vs the USD presents an opportunity to buy UK stocks as you could get ROE appreciation as well as any dividend and possible price increase.

Look at the way the UK economy is moving in March next year to have a nascent view of what the effect of the fiscal event is.

Edited by HKOwen (27 Sep 2022 12.20am)

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 26 Sep 22 7.47am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

For sure there would have been some who came out of it OK - but I cant help feeling that for anyone embarking on something as major as buying a property (especially for first time buyers, who this 105% mortgage was aimed at) if you havent been proactive / disciplined enough to get a deposit together (even 5% of the purchase price) then you probably havent thought hard enough about what it actually means to buy & manage living in a property with bills coming in every month, as opposed to living with parents - Having lived through that period, saved my own deposit, still having had a period of negative equity but being one of the lucky ones managing to work my way through it the mortgage lenders offering this 105% plan were to my mind dangling unrealistic dreams, I know my cousin & his new wife took up one of these mortgages, when recession hit & the interest rates rose he soon found that he couldnt make the payments & ended up losing the house, so for several years moved back with parents & with this black mark against his credit rating he has ever since been in rental properties, its been over 25 years since then & he is now of an age where even if his credit rating allowed him to have another mortgage he dosent have enough working years left in him to make it viable.

Originally posted by silvertop

There are always casualties. There are also those who suffered short term pain, drifted in and then out of negative equity transferred to a better product and never looked back.

No chance of being given such a chance now.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Sep 22 12.25am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

People back then took out 105% mortgages then went off on expensive holidays or bought expensive cars.

Pure self indulgence, no sympathy from me.

The lenders were out of control you could literally fill in afew forms ina bank or building society and walk out with a firm offer with no proof of earnings or financial status.

I know this from first hand experience, I was visiting the UK and had an hour to kill so went into a lender in Bury St Edmunds. I was offered a loan of 300K on a yet to be chosen property with no proof of income and having declared I did not live in the UK.

They even called me a few times to encourage me to take up the offer.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Sep 22 2.42am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

People back then took out 105% mortgages then went off on expensive holidays or bought expensive cars.

Pure self indulgence, no sympathy from me.

The lenders were out of control you could literally fill in afew forms ina bank or building society and walk out with a firm offer with no proof of earnings or financial status.

I know this from first hand experience, I was visiting the UK and had an hour to kill so went into a lender in Bury St Edmunds. I was offered a loan of 300K on a yet to be chosen property with no proof of income and having declared I did not live in the UK.

They even called me a few times to encourage me to take up the offer.

And are you still on that self indulgent holiday with the 300k, or did you re endulge

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Sep 22 5.22pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

So Labour are proposing a new public owned Green Energy Giant however I am not sure what that actually means.

Is this just New Labour speak for nationalisation?

I think we need a little more info about what he means.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Sep 22 7.13pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't actually think this will produce the economic growth, nobody explained how today, do investors I am not sure.

The s**t could well hit the fan here.

Hasn't the s^^t hit the fan already for working people any tax cuts are wiped out by the recent slump in the pound with all its repercussions not least forthcoming interest rate increases.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 27 Sep 22 10.11pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Has the IMF really asked the Chancellor to do a U turn? That's embarrassing because it suggests they believe he doesn't know what he is doing.

Presumably, Kwarteng sacked the head of the Treasury on his first day in the job because he didn’t want anyone around who might offer him good advice?

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Sep 22 5.41am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I’m sure this isn’t the first time we have been in the proverbial financial crap. 60,s 70,s and the 80s all had their moments. Let alone 00s. It is a cyclical event worldwide generally; a bit like the climate really. I’m sure the world has been going to end every ten years from the 50s according to some!

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 28 Sep 22 6.57am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I’m sure this isn’t the first time we have been in the proverbial financial crap. 60,s 70,s and the 80s all had their moments. Let alone 00s. It is a cyclical event worldwide generally; a bit like the climate really. I’m sure the world has been going to end every ten years from the 50s according to some!

This is my view (not the climate bit!), however the crash in the bond market is concerning for cautious investors. Global equity portfolios are only narrowly in the red this calendar year so not quite the doom and gloom being reported.

If I had spare cash I could take a long term view on, I’d be pilling into the market now.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Sep 22 8.10am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Has the IMF really asked the Chancellor to do a U turn? That's embarrassing because it suggests they believe he doesn't know what he is doing.

Presumably, Kwarteng sacked the head of the Treasury on his first day in the job because he didn’t want anyone around who might offer him good advice?

The IMF is terrible at forecasting, is anti Brexit and pretty much crap at their job. I am not saying that the Tories have got it right but I pay no attention to the IMF.

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 28 Sep 22 3.58pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The IMF is there to assist not call out Governments.
It is a ridiculous statement by their Chairman - an ex EU Chair of some sort - all politics and there to cause problems.
The pound v dollar is interesting - there are lots of people making millions betting on it and until that calms down we won't know where we are.
No one mentions the Euro and parity with the dollar - hmm!
Are we in a good place - no we are not.
Is it as bad as the moaners are saying - no it is not.
The Bank of England and Andrew Bailey have a lot to answer for here.
Their job is to keep an eye on what is going with inflation and it was at 6% before Putin did his thing and Bailey told us not to worry - it is only temporary - yeh - right!
What a t***!
He should have taken action then and not left it so late.
He forecast the recession - he should know - because he is causing it when he could have headed it off at the pass a while ago.
Loads of people to blame from the Government to Putin to China for Covid, to the B of E, to profiteers - the list is endless but it is a perfect storm.
I would rather take stock again in a few weeks time.
As for Starmer and his antics - he doesn't mention bailing people out over energy etc. plus tax cuts which also wanted.
As far as his speech was concerned it is all down to the Tories and nothing or no one else at all.

Edited by The Dolphin (28 Sep 2022 3.59pm)

 

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