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View crystal-purley's Profile crystal-purley Flag Purley 11 Sep 22 9.22pm Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'll preface this post by observing that, criminal scumbag though he seemingly was, Floyd was certainly murdered, and that criminal charges against the (diverse) trio of policemen responsible were appropriate. That said, I agree entirely with your post.

The problem you highlight began when commercial organisations developed manipulative and subtle form of advertising relating to social/political issues. We all wanted them to stop using third world sweatshops, trade fairly, not dump s*** in rivers, treat cattle humanely etc and so on, and once the commercial sector realised it couldn't avoid social responsibility, it began using it as a marketing tool instead. Adverts became less about the quality of the product and more about appropriately paid locals harvesting crops in Sri Lanka, poverty stricken Mexican lads being saved from a life of gang violence, or of drinking wells being constructed in Africa.

Add in social media and soon enough everyone from craft breweries to lawnmower companies feel obliged to announce their socially progressive position on just about everything. Partly this is for free advertising, partly to try and do the right thing, and partly a response to fear of being shamed if they don't.

The problem of course is that whilst there is no limit to the number and complexity of social/political issues, there certainly is a limit to the ability of commercial organisations to fully understand and address them, hence the trend for gross oversimplification.

As you say, the most prominent example of this was the FA, Premier League and football broadcasters rushing to throw as much visible support behind BLM as possible without stopping to assess what they were doing. The process that followed still begars belief. Music or recorded applause being played at high volume at Wembley to drown out any dissent as the knee was taken, complete denial that respectful and reasonable opposition existed, regular misrepresentation of opposition as either flagrant racism or the result of ignorance (BLM were, all of a sudden, not a political organisation apparently), before they slowly and very privately designed a method to reverse out of it all without ever acknowledging possible error, let alone the damage done.

All of which leads us to the decision to cancel football this weekend. It's not the decision itself I am frustrated by (incorrect though I think it is), it's the people and process leading to it. These are organisations labouring under the misapprehension that they are required to develop social/political views, that they are capable of doing so to an appropriate standard, and that they don't need to consider the views of the people who pay for the whole gravy train. They are are stuck in an ongoing addiction to the social media popularity contest, and this just feels like the latest consequence.

Apologies for the long post, but I appreciate the opportunity to articulate my feelings. I'm sure the mods will move the post to a different thread if necessary.

Good post and it covers everything except Di and Dodi. On a selfish point I am off for a few days to Dublin so not worried too much that the match is off.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 12 Sep 22 7.08am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

For those who remain baffled by the decision to call off games at all levels this weekend may be interested to learn that the Telegraph is reporting today that Eton college managed to play two games this weekend.
This probably won't be a surprise to many.

Good to see an establishment of their standing blatantly ignoring the idiots that run football here.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 12 Sep 22 7.09am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Edited by dreamwaverider (12 Sep 2022 7.11am)

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 12 Sep 22 7.13am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'll preface this post by observing that, criminal scumbag though he seemingly was, Floyd was certainly murdered, and that criminal charges against the (diverse) trio of policemen responsible were appropriate. That said, I agree entirely with your post.

The problem you highlight began when commercial organisations developed manipulative and subtle form of advertising relating to social/political issues. We all wanted them to stop using third world sweatshops, trade fairly, not dump s*** in rivers, treat cattle humanely etc and so on, and once the commercial sector realised it couldn't avoid social responsibility, it began using it as a marketing tool instead. Adverts became less about the quality of the product and more about appropriately paid locals harvesting crops in Sri Lanka, poverty stricken Mexican lads being saved from a life of gang violence, or of drinking wells being constructed in Africa.

Add in social media and soon enough everyone from craft breweries to lawnmower companies feel obliged to announce their socially progressive position on just about everything. Partly this is for free advertising, partly to try and do the right thing, and partly a response to fear of being shamed if they don't.

The problem of course is that whilst there is no limit to the number and complexity of social/political issues, there certainly is a limit to the ability of commercial organisations to fully understand and address them, hence the trend for gross oversimplification.

As you say, the most prominent example of this was the FA, Premier League and football broadcasters rushing to throw as much visible support behind BLM as possible without stopping to assess what they were doing. The process that followed still begars belief. Music or recorded applause being played at high volume at Wembley to drown out any dissent as the knee was taken, complete denial that respectful and reasonable opposition existed, regular misrepresentation of opposition as either flagrant racism or the result of ignorance (BLM were, all of a sudden, not a political organisation apparently), before they slowly and very privately designed a method to reverse out of it all without ever acknowledging possible error, let alone the damage done.

All of which leads us to the decision to cancel football this weekend. It's not the decision itself I am frustrated by (incorrect though I think it is), its the people and process leading to it. These are organisations labouring under the misapprehension that they are required to develop social/political views, that they are capable of doing so to an appropriate standard, and that they don't need to consider the views of the people who pay for the whole gravy train. They are are stuck in an ongoing addiction to the social media popularity contest, and this just feels like the latest consequence.

Apologies for the long post, but I appreciate the opportunity to articulate my feelings. I'm sure the mods will move the post to a different thread if necessary.


Very good post.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 12 Sep 22 12.14pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

The same people who instead of reasoning a sensible response to some of the awful racism in the game albeit by a significant minority.
Instead hoist the awful BLM mantra on all & sundry including the insipid kneeling to that criminal & scumbag George Floyd when they had a perfect moment (even call it good PR)to introduce something more palatable & worthy that everyone could of embrace.
Watch out in November for more twisting of ethics & morals by the FA when the World Cup is being played in Qatar.

wow - so minor criminal deserved to be killed based on previous misdemeanours.

I don't think you understand what the BLM movement is all about.

Regarding Qatar, you are spot on

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 12 Sep 22 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

I have changed my stance on this over the past few days... I think the reason other sports have been allowed to continue and football cancelled is due to the perceived (and probably rightly so) demographic of football fans.

Unfortunately all clubs have an element of numpties who will feel the need to ruin the minutes silence. Liverpool fans are known for their dislike of the Queen, so it wouldn't go down well at Anfield. It's not a good look for football if fans show such a lack of respect when observing a minutes silence for such an important character for our nation.

Minority ruining it for the majority as per usual.

 

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View Runningman's Profile Runningman Flag Keston 12 Sep 22 5.54pm Send a Private Message to Runningman Add Runningman as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

I have changed my stance on this over the past few days... I think the reason other sports have been allowed to continue and football cancelled is due to the perceived (and probably rightly so) demographic of football fans.

Unfortunately all clubs have an element of numpties who will feel the need to ruin the minutes silence. Liverpool fans are known for their dislike of the Queen, so it wouldn't go down well at Anfield. It's not a good look for football if fans show such a lack of respect when observing a minutes silence for such an important character for our nation.

Minority ruining it for the majority as per usual.


Indeed. The booing of the National Anthem at Wembley recently is a prime example !

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Sep 22 5.55pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

It's now being reported that the Brighton game will be off this weekend because it's too short notice to 'unpostpone' the game.
This despite the fact that the reason for the postponement was the train strike which was announced as being off a few days ago meaning it has not presented an obstacle to the game being played since the announcement that the trains would actually be running.
This is a separate issue to the policing.
It seems to me that the lifeblood of the game, the fans, come bottom of any consideration by football administrators everywhere with the consequential impact of unrecoverable expenditure and missed games.
We also have the fiasco of the World Cup to contend with a venue that defies credibility and timing which will be anathema to the average fan.
Do you remember the days when planning your football diary didn't involve a military operation with continual calendar changes and shiftis in fixtures?
Love the game but hate the direction it is moving in.

 

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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 12 Sep 22 6.19pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

It is about not having to police certain games & numbers of police available in London for events and the funeral on Monday isn't it ?
Arsenal's midweek European game at home (3000 away fans expected),
Brighton v Palace,
Chelsea v Liverpool,
And Moan United v Leeds all now postponed.
Cannot see any games in London in the top four divisions going ahead next weekend.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Sep 22 6.32pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The Brentford and Tottenham home games in London are both going ahead this weekend.
Do they not require policing?
The whole thing is a total nonsense.

Originally posted by Swindy

It is about not having to police certain games & numbers of police available in London for events and the funeral on Monday isn't it ?
Arsenal's midweek European game at home (3000 away fans expected),
Brighton v Palace,
Chelsea v Liverpool,
And Moan United v Leeds all now postponed.
Cannot see any games in London in the top four divisions going ahead next weekend.

 

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View NE14T's Profile NE14T Flag 12 Sep 22 6.39pm Send a Private Message to NE14T Add NE14T as a friend

Agreed a total nonsense. Trains running, people would undoubtedly behave themselves and show respect for Queen. Police presence could be low/proportionate

Decision makers are cant do merchants and constantly look for excuses and the weak back covering option.

To be honest Im now sick of all this hand wringing and overdone focus.


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View Swindy's Profile Swindy Flag Bromley 12 Sep 22 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

Those 3 postponements have a fair history of trouble whilst the bindippers are also not noted for their royalist views !
The clues are all there & there is now a convenient excuse to call them off.

 

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